"Wrong side of history"

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Emperor Julian

Dec 20, 2015
It's based on the human minds tendancy to look for coherant constants, Nationalists have misplaced delusions about the inherant greatness if their way of life and a misplaced presumption it will endure, Liberals have the side of history. They're both the Bastard love child of whig history.

Which is really odd considering racism as we would understand it is a relatively new concept.

Frankly I suspect where shifting towards a dystopian society, as overcrowding and resoarce demand gets higher and higher and our obligarchic aspects get worse. While their may be a slow improvement in terms of tolerance but their's no way that this is set in stone.
From were I stand the winning side of history looks likely to produce a neo-liberal dystopia where their are no jobs for the underclass in the west, the third world are slaves exploited economically and infrstructure is crimminally neglected because it's all in the hands of corporate shills. We're slowly becoming a society dominated by moral bankrupt corporations and the politicians they've bought and that's assuming a Ceasar doesnt emerge.
With that in mind the winning side of history can go fuck itself and anybody with anything resembling sanity will resist the rising tide.

School of Fish

Mar 17, 2019
There is no "right" or "wrong" side of history.
History is just a collection of records of what people have done in the past.

Sometimes the good guys win, sometimes the bad guys win, and sometimes no one wins.
History doesn't care about all of the good and evil shit that humanity has done throughout its existence, it's simply nothing more but an archive of shit that did happened as history is as amoral as it can get.


popular twitch speedrunner edward snowden
Apr 6, 2019
Maybe it means the opposite of what it sounds like, and you're actually abandoning any pretence of being on the high road to wave your dick around a little. Perhaps it's nothing more than a shameless admission that regardless of merit, victors write the history books.


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Cat Gang (Sweater Mode)
Nov 27, 2018
Depends on what you call moral. Here's a good section from Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols:

Whether we have become more moral. — Against my conception of "beyond good and evil" — as was to be expected — the whole ferocity of moral hebetation, mistaken for morality itself in Germany, as is well known, has gone into action: I could tell fine stories about that. Above all I was asked to consider the "undeniable superiority" of our age in moral judgment, the real progress we have made here: compared with us, a Cesare Borgia is by no means to be represented after any manner as a "higher man," a kind of overman. A Swiss editor of the Bund went so far that he "understood" the meaning of my work — not without expressing his respect for my courage and daring — to be a demand for the abolition of all decent feelings. Thank you! In reply, I take the liberty of raising the question whether we have really become more moral. That all the world believes this to be the case merely constitutes an objection. We modern men, very tender, very easily hurt, and offering as well as receiving consideration a hundredfold, really have the conceit that this tender humanity which we represent, this attained unanimity in sympathetic regard, in readiness to help, in mutual trust, represents positive progress; and that in this respect we are far above the men of the Renaissance. But that is how every age thinks, how it must think. What is certain is that we may not place ourselves in renaissance conditions, not even by an act of thought: our nerves would not endure that reality, not to speak of our muscles. But such incapacity does not prove progress, only another, later constitution, one which is weaker, frailer, more easily hurt, and which necessarily generates a morality rich in consideration. Were we to think away our frailty and lateness, our physiological senescence, then our morality of "humanization" would immediately lose its value too (in itself, no morality has any value) — it would even arouse disdain. On the other hand, let us not doubt that we moderns, with our thickly padded humanity, which at all costs wants to avoid bumping into a stone, would have provided Cesare Borgia's contemporaries with a comedy at which they could have laughed themselves to death. Indeed, we are unwittingly funny beyond all measure with our modern "virtues." The decrease in instincts which are hostile and arouse mistrust — and that is all our "progress" amounts to — represents but one of the consequences attending the general decrease in vitality: it requires a hundred times more trouble and caution to make so conditional and late an existence prevail. Hence each helps the other; hence everyone is to a certain extent sick, and everyone is a nurse for the sick. And that is called "virtue." Among men who still knew life differently — fuller, more squandering, more overflowing — it would have been called by another name: "cowardice" perhaps, "wretchedness," "old ladies' morality." Our softening of manners — that is my proposition; that is, if you will, my innovation — is a consequence of decline; the hardness and terribleness of morals, conversely, can be a consequence of an excess of life. For in that case much may also be dared, much challenged, and much squandered. What was once the spice of life would be poison for us. To be indifferent — that too is a form of strength — for that we are likewise too old, too late. Our morality of sympathy, against which I was the first to issue a warning — that which one might call l'impressionisme morale — is just another expression of that physiological overexcitability which is characteristic of everything decadent. That movement which tried to introduce itself scientifically with Schopenhauer's morality of pity — a very unfortunate attempt! — is the real movement of decadence in morality; as such, it is profoundly related to Christian morality. Strong ages, noble cultures, all consider pity, "neighbor-love," and the lack of self and self-assurance as something contemptible. Ages must be measured by their positive strength — and then that lavishly squandering and fatal age of the Renaissance appears as the last great age; and we moderns, with our anxious selfsolicitude and neighbor-love, with our virtues of work, modesty, legality, and scientism — accumulating, economic, machinelike — appear as a weak age. Our virtues are conditional on, are provoked by, our weaknesses. "Equality" as a certain factual increase in similarity, which merely finds expression in the theory of "equal rights," is an essential feature of decline. The cleavage between man and man, status and status, the plurality of types, the will to be oneself, to stand out — what I call the pathos of distance, that is characteristic of every strong age. The strength to withstand tension, the width of the tensions between extremes, becomes ever smaller today; finally, the extremes themselves become blurred to the point of similarity. All our political theories and constitutions — and the "German Reich" is by no means an exception — are consequences, necessary consequences, of decline; the unconscious effect of decadence has assumed mastery even over the ideals of some of the sciences. My objection against the whole of sociology in England and France remains that it knows from experience only the forms of social decay, and with perfect innocence accepts its own instincts of decay as the norm of sociological value-judgments. The decline of life, the decrease in the power to organize — that is, to separate, tear open clefts, subordinate and superordinate — all this has been formulated as the ideal in contemporary sociology. Our socialists are decadents, but Mr. Herbert Spencer is a decadent too: he considers the triumph of altruism desirable.

We may be "on the right side of history" according to progressive morality doesn't we are the right side of history to others.


True & Honest Fan
Apr 1, 2019
  1. It's impossible to know what is "the wrong side of history," even if it's something that's already taken place. (e.g. maybe the world would have been better off if we lost the revolutionary war)
  2. The victorious side isn't always the "right side."
  3. The victorious side sometimes would have been better off losing. I'd honestly argue this for much of the western world following WW2. The UK is far more despotic, culture barren, and backwards than it would have ever been under Nazi rule. Furthermore, the Russians, and Chinese genocided themselves following the war.
  4. Let's just look at places were the left "won" almost every single one of those places are absolute shitholes. China is the top tier example, and all it really is, is a shithole which has international influence because it parasites off of non-shitholes.
  5. Have their SJW policies really met any of their goals? The west went from being apathetic towards race, and sexuality to a cold war state over the issues.
  6. Have their economic policies had any success? Maybe. The white man has indeed lost wealth, but he was never the (((top bracket))) to begin with, and now that (((top bracket))) has more wealth, and power than ever before.
  7. Did they degrade traditional values? Yeah, but they replaced those values with the most wacky bullshit known to man, where everyone is a heathen so sayeth whatever random nigger decides to get offended.


A thousand years old
True & Honest Fan
Jan 15, 2014
Everyone thinks they're on the right side of history. The USSR thought they were on the right side of history. The Romans thought they were on the right side of history. ISIS thinks they're on the right side of history. No one develops a belief thinking, "Well, this is wrong, but it'll do for now." Assuming there's a right side of history assumes that there's some ultimate outcome, rather than just a series of ebbs and flows.

Ironically, I'd say two of the greatest forces for progressive social change in the last couple of centuries have been industrialisation and capitalism. Mechanisation meant that slavery ceased to be economical, and gave women a greater stake in the workforce.


Aug 22, 2014
It's decrying the past in order to use the pretense of progressive enlightenment to justify the same mistaken or ignorant behaviors of the future.

'That wasn't real communism'

'Surely this will be different, we know better now.'

'This isnt a witch hunt, McCarthyism only happens on the right wing.'


Hovers over the e-highway of autism
Sep 26, 2018
"Right side of history" Is merely a repackaged "It's [Current year]".

Anyone who thinks that 'progress' happens as a result of time has a poor understanding of human history. It's like the most recent large reformation of Islam (Wahabism) is in fact, even more radical than previous sects and teachings.

Rand /pol/

True & Honest Fan
Oct 29, 2017
History has no good guys it's just various groups of people vying for power. Sort of tangential but it's like when people say "who does this land belong to" it belongs to whoever the fuck can keep it.

Sprig of Parsley

Damnation dignified
Apr 26, 2019
Oftentimes leftists will say that they are "on the right side of history". Aside from the fact that the future is inherently unpredictable, on what other facts were they actually on the wrong side of history that can be used to rebut this?

They say this because they've internalized the sentiment "History is written by the victors" and history tends to show a progressive trend, in a sense. However, feel free to remind them that the only things they themselves have ever won are participation trophies.

In terms of "wrong side of history" stuff, just think of every colossal fuckup the Communists ever pulled. Lysenkoism, Pol Pot, Four Pests, Great Leap Forward, Holodomor. They're there, they just don't like to remember them.

Drunk and Pour

Feb 17, 2019
The victorious side sometimes would have been better off losing. I'd honestly argue this for much of the western world following WW2. The UK is far more despotic, culture barren, and backwards than it would have ever been under Nazi rule.
Um... what?
Ironically, I'd say two of the greatest forces for progressive social change in the last couple of centuries have been industrialisation and capitalism. Mechanisation meant that slavery ceased to be economical, and gave women a greater stake in the workforce.
I was going to point out, it's ironic that progressives think that they will be the future "right side of history" saying that in a present that only exists because of the foundations of the past (industrialization, capitalism, colonialism, expansionism) that they view as evil. So are we now in a right side or wrong side of history? Why do they think they can create the future right side of history? If they could, it would only be possible if history was on the right track in the first place.

I think they might be stupid.

Bad Headspace

Y e a h
May 4, 2019
History has no end goal, it's just time that has passed. Talking about wrong side of history is just handwaving the current establishent as inevitable and eternal.
Moralizing is just a smoke screen to hide how politics and people really work. :biggrin:


Stone Cold Steve Autism
Aug 10, 2016
The only "wrong side of history" is the side that loses.

Exactly. The whole "right side of history" thing is just a much faggier way to acknowledge that history is always written (or rewritten, as the case may be) by the victors.