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Which country(ies) will fare the worst due to the WuFlu?


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Clockwork_PurBle

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It seems Walz may have overstepped by ending youth sports, especially hockey. People are finally protesting and at least one restaurant is open against the Tyrant’s orders.
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Lifetime Fitness also wants real, legitimate data to support the Tyrant closing gyms again.
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This...does put a smile on my face.
 

Vault Boy

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Some news on Europe. the Police in a bunch of countries is close to breakingpoint after weeks of demonstrations.
3rd time they had to use water cannons to keep a rowdy crowed at bay in berlin, Slovakian Police gave up last week in Preßburg, Italia and France are burning(like always)
and Greece is close to a right wing coup.
Even the most patient person will eventually snap if they keep getting pushed into a corner.

Politicians and "experts" need to tread carefully, otherwise these protests might turn into full blown revolts.
 

Super-Chevy454

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Apparently every Southern California county sheriff either refuses to enforce Fuhrer Newsom's curfew or are just going to "educate you" (I.E. give you a spiel about the curfew) if deputies encounter you like LA County.

Also NGL, there are a lot of days where I plan to take a rest day from running but push myself to go anyway to rustle some jimmies with the mask nazis.



I was watching an old movie on Oliver Cromwell that seemed scarily relevant with the civil war between the Cavaliers and Roundheads. I can totally see Boris Johnson kicking off the 2nd English Civil War with his bullshit mask mandates.

I got one thing to said to Boris Johnson: Do it!
 

Fanatical Pragmatist

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Consider this in regard to those SCIENCE! types:

Most people go to (crappy) public school for their primary education, few receive any kind of "advanced" early education, but many of them then go on to college where they are taught advanced concepts. The problem with this is that they have no understanding of the fundamentals, the very basics of critical thinking, rigorous scientific method, empiricism, or anything else that forms the foundation for the sciences. They are not thinkers so to speak, they lack the frame to form their own independent concepts, worldviews, or to modify the information they're taught through a first principles approach (or even an experimental approach).

So they go to college where they are taught complex subjects whole, and they essentially memorize what they're told. Whether what they're told is even correct varies (more so in the lib arts spaces), but they form a sort of relationship with knowledge that relies on authority and memorization. Because of this, their ability to THINK is entirely limited to the framework of what they've memorized. Sometimes, an authority will distribute more information, and they will at best synthesize it poorly with their existing knowledge, or at worst compartmentalize it entirely.

Smart and creative people are affected less by this systemic problem, but that's a very small portion of the population and even they have to be taught some kind of critical thinking. Personally, I never finished a degree, but my early education was top notch. Using what I was taught well before high school has allowed me to work with unfamiliar concepts and to synthesize my own original meta-frames to form an understanding of the world around me. I'm not the smartest person, but I've very rarely run into people (including highly educated ones) who really surprised or interested me with their ideas/thinking (as opposed to their specific knowledge of a particular field). In fact, in conversation I usually find that comprehensive analyses or theories that I consider pretty obvious are novel to most. It's almost like this is an unintended consequence of a highly specialized and over-complicated society.
Yeah so to put that in laymens terms, the education systems teaches people to memorize and how to take tests, not how to process information.

Though your point about "compartmentalization" is on-point.
The biggest example of this in reference to COVID is how they (even people I went through the same damn undergrad with) believe that 1) COVID can transfer no lasting immunity but also that 2) a vaccine is what's needed to stop the virus; holding these beliefs simultaneously without even so much as a forethought that the two are contradictory.

Further compartmentalized insanity:
1) Humans are over-populated.
2) Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is proven science.
3) We must stop people from dying of COVID-19 at all costs.
All at once, without even a drop of doubt that one of those beliefs is invalidated by the other two.
 

JambledUpWords

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Yeah so to put that in laymens terms, the education systems teaches people to memorize and how to take tests, not how to process information.

Though your point about "compartmentalization" is on-point.
The biggest example of this in reference to COVID is how they (even people I went through the same damn undergrad with) believe that 1) COVID can transfer no lasting immunity but also that 2) a vaccine is what's needed to stop the virus; holding these beliefs simultaneously without even so much as a forethought that the two are contradictory.

Further compartmentalized insanity:
1) Humans are over-populated.
2) Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is proven science.
3) We must stop people from dying of COVID-19 at all costs.
All at once, without even a drop of doubt that one of those beliefs is invalidated by the other two.
Additionally, even if you don’t die from Corona, you’re guaranteed to die of something else eventually. Due to paranoia about the virus and people avoiding cancer screenings and getting blood work done, we are probably going to see a rise in deaths from cancer and other related diseases later on. Of course, lockdowns, the media, and totalitarian leaders won’t be blamed for this negligence. Honestly, lockdowns are worse than the virus itself, seeing as the effects of them are more far-reaching and harder to recover from.
 

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The Nothingness

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Personally I am hoping my Thanksgiving dinner is peaceful. It will only be my parents, brother, and me. My parents take everything from the television, except Fox News, and NPR as gospel (so it is Orange Man/Republicans Bad, Democrats Good, Wear A Mask, Trust The Science, etc.) and they are in the age range of those most susceptible. Even though my brother and I do not share the same views as our parents he is a bit of a hypochondriac given his own choice when it comes to health (ironically he seems to have gotten that trait from our dad).

Much like @The handsome tard I was to be good, kind, and civil but this year has left me dishearten when those in power blatantly show they don't give a shit about those less fortunate. I rarely express my thoughts to my family so if we we're able to have a pleasant dinner maybe it will brighten my spirits.
 

ToroidalBoat

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I loathe the science is god lot.
Can't have a cyberpunk dystopia without people having a cult-like reverence of Science®. But yeah, "science" is just a fancy way of saying "knowledge gained through testing" - that's all it is.

(those in the "scientism" cult may also think that "science" is "metaphysical naturalism" - secular humanist atheist philosophy)
 
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Save the Loli

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What I find really disheartening is the public distrust now of those of us in the research business. I can see what’s going to happen - there’s going to be a pushback against the doomsayers in SAGE and if this vaccine has a high side effect rate they’re going to be baying for blood. I don’t blame them, but it smarts a bit when you’ve spent the last twenty years trying to cure horrible genetic diseases for the public good. People used to respect us, and I suspect they will want us swinging from lampposts next year.
It's bad enough as it is, and if that vaccine doesn't work perfectly, it's going to get even worse. And by "worse" I mean "get your fucking measles vaccine" because this is going to breath endless life into the anti-vaccination movement. That's compounded by all the people not taking their kids to the doctor to get their shots because they're told "the hospitals are almost at capacity" (funny how they're never are 100% full, but always "almost" full). Watch measles vaccination rates plummet and a couple of epidemics of that tear through a children's hospital and kill lots of infants and cripple plenty more for life. Oh yeah, and don't forget the amount of tard babies being born because measles cripples fetuses in the womb. I predict that there will be years in the 2020s where measles in the United States and most developed countries kills more children under 5 than COVID-19 did, and that's not even getting into the long-term side effects which are far more common in children with measles than with WuFlu.

All these childhood diseases are nasty shit to contract no matter what age you are, and thanks to government stupidity with their vaccination policy, we're almost certainly going to see a massive rise in it.
I was watching an old movie on Oliver Cromwell that seemed scarily relevant with the civil war between the Cavaliers and Roundheads. I can totally see Boris Johnson kicking off the 2nd English Civil War with his bullshit mask mandates.
Isn't Boris Johnson like as right-wing as a non-Muslim can get in Britbongistan without being arrested for hate speech given the other side is full of communists? Can't have a civil war when the other side is even worse.
 

Fanatical Pragmatist

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Watch measles vaccination rates plummet and a couple of epidemics of that tear through a children's hospital and kill lots of infants and cripple plenty more for life. Oh yeah, and don't forget the amount of tard babies being born because measles cripples fetuses in the womb.
They'll just chalk it up as COVID-19 doing all that and quietly list measles as the "comorbidity".
 

clusterfuckk

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Yeah so to put that in laymens terms, the education systems teaches people to memorize and how to take tests, not how to process information.

Though your point about "compartmentalization" is on-point.
The biggest example of this in reference to COVID is how they (even people I went through the same damn undergrad with) believe that 1) COVID can transfer no lasting immunity but also that 2) a vaccine is what's needed to stop the virus; holding these beliefs simultaneously without even so much as a forethought that the two are contradictory.

Further compartmentalized insanity:
1) Humans are over-populated.
2) Darwin's theory of Natural Selection is proven science.
3) We must stop people from dying of COVID-19 at all costs.
All at once, without even a drop of doubt that one of those beliefs is invalidated by the other two.

Didn’t Hitler believe in the theory of Natural Selection or something similar? The superior race shit?

I think the most confusing part for me is the why. I am not on board with the ‘great reset’ theory, but i struggle as to the real motivation for almost every single fkn country to take these extreme measures for something so minor.

Is everyone dumb enough to believe anything China says? It’s lunacy.
 

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I've said it before, but another bullshit thing is that while they report on the (inflated) number of cases, they don't tell us how many have recovered. Just like number of deaths is inflated.
A case number will include asymptomatic cases, a handy fear tool
I (fucking) love reddit salt over people ignoring lockdowns.
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Kiwi Lime Pie

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Sheriffs in a few NY counties have refused to enforce the 10 people per household gathering limit and Cuomo calls them arrogant (archive).

Good on them. The more people stand up to this, the better.
Considering how many law enforcement agencies have been threatened with "defunding" or had their municipalities follow through with funding cuts in light of the summer protests that have yet to end, can one really blame any law enforcement agency that takes this stance?

Even during the spring when many areas issued "stay home" directives, a number of police departments declared that they wouldn't/couldn't enforce them because they lacked the resources (i.e. patrol officers) to do so because of all the frivolous complaints being made. In fact, some departments in my area went as far as to tell their officers to not pull over drivers during the spring lockdowns if the stop would result in nothing more than a civil infraction because of the fear unmasked drivers could spread COVID to the police.

In areas where the state-level health department or its equivalent have issued the latest orders, I can easily see law enforcement telling people calling in with complaints to instead contact their county health department as if to say, "We don't have time to deal with this, so let those making the rules deal with enforcing it."
 

teriyakiburns

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I was watching an old movie on Oliver Cromwell that seemed scarily relevant with the civil war between the Cavaliers and Roundheads. I can totally see Boris Johnson kicking off the 2nd English Civil War with his bullshit mask mandates.

Never forget, it was Cromwell that banned Christmas. Whatever Boris is, the violent replacement will be worse.

Isn't Boris Johnson like as right-wing as a non-Muslim can get in Britbongistan without being arrested for hate speech given the other side is full of communists? Can't have a civil war when the other side is even worse.

No. The classical right/left dichotomy is a falsehood to begin with, but even the popular right/left dichotomy fails when you look at English politics (not British - English) for even a moment. The key features of English politics are Paternalism and Individualism, rather than "left" and "right". Boris is very much a paternalist, an old tory, who thinks of himself as the "father" of the nation, like a land owner who styles himself as a caring, fatherly figure for his tenants. It can have good outcomes, inculcating a familial cooperation toward common goals, but it can also lead to the worst excesses of tyranny, when the "father" starts to punish his "children" in petty and unjustifiable ways, treating them as mentally stunted ingrates who need to be sent to their room without supper and spanked for misbehaving in public.

Paternalism is a common thread throughout English politics, left or right, authoritarian or liberal, socialist or conservative; they all suffer the same delusion of assumed responsibility for the "care" of each and every citizen, whilst those citizens in turn have absorbed the belief that their putative betters have their best interests at heart, and will act to improve the lot of the individual through the imposition of wise, moderate, and justifiable rules. It's the reason the BBC is so arrogant, and the reason that the English, who arguably spawned the entire modern concept of individual liberty, are nevertheless such craven worshippers of the state.

So no, Boris isn't right wing. If I were forced at gunpoint to classify him, I'd call him centre left, but I'd repeat that it's irrelevant: he has delusions of fatherhood, he believes he knows what's best, and he has arrogated to himself the divine right of kings. He will use socialist, conservative, libertarian, liberal, and any other rhetoric if he feels it would perpetuate his paternalist reign.

And he's also a turk. So fuck him.
 

Clockwork_PurBle

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We can add school dropout rates, of both the high school and college/technical school variety, to increase because of this as well.

The kids in high school already in a low place trying to stay in school? Yeah they're gonna go.

The people in college? Yeah lots are gonna drop out for having to pay the same price for 1/3 of what you'd usually get.

Technical school? Yeah that's very hands on and in person and if you can't learn it or teach it correctly then there's no point. Same goes for the 4 yr degrees that are very hands on, like nursing (who tf wants to try to be a nurse during COVID? nursing school is hard enough as it is I hear).

Never thought I'd say this but I can see myself withdrawing if shit isn't better after next spring (though that might affect my financial aid I've not looked in to it yet). I do not currently have any debt but I don't want to keep going on like this. Holy shit we can't even do real theatre.
 

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