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Which country(ies) will fare the worst due to the WuFlu?


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Feline Supremacist

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Adding a few hundred thousand jobs at $15 an hour isn't going to help most people afford a blanket that goes from $20 to $50, shoes that go from $50 to $80, or a smartphone that costs $2500 instead of $500. Even if you pay people federal minimum of $7.25 it's massively more than paying someone $.60 an hour, plus bennies, union shit, US state and federal safety regulations, mandated training, hr personnel. Do you think Wang Ling is going to have a diversity rep that makes $50k a year he can complain to when Shing Chu grabs his ass? Shelly in Idaho sure does. And she can't work more than x hours without a break, or x hours a day, and anything over 40 is time and a half.

There's a reason why manufacturing jobs have been leaving the US for the past 40 years. And don't mistake this for arguing for that: I'd love to see manufacturing jobs back here, less reliance on global imports, less of a drive to move Americans off actual work and on to UBI. But if that comes, it won't come without a massive negative effect on quality of life in the US in the near term at least.

There's not much we can do about it, except buy what you can now, save money now, think about living with less. Learn to make shit last longer. Repair instead of replace. If you can't afford a new phone every 2 years, take good care of your current one. Be frugal with food instead of buying too much so it expires and you throw out half of it. Look into cleaning and repairing your shoes instead of buying new ones. Buy better quality, less fashionable (ie timeless) basic clothes. Think of how you might live if you or your family members were unemployed for a few years, or took a 40% pay cut. Live like that now.

You don't have to start hoarding gold and guns and MREs, but you can make it so if we at least get as bad as 2008 or the late 70s malaise you won't suffer as much.
Mexico is not only close its part of NAFTA. Lots of of our goods and food are made there already. Every country south of our border will be open for more business. Like someone else pointed out, expect turbulence but not the apocalypse.

That said, being frugal and repairing things is good advice.
 

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Mexico is not only close its part of NAFTA. Lots of of our goods and food are made there already. Every country south of our border will be open for more business. Like someone else pointed out, expect turbulence but not the apocalypse.

That said, being frugal and repairing things is good advice.
I'd be good with jobs returning to mexico. It would take some pressure off the US for sure.
 

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It's not just a flu, but I expect Xi to force factories to start up in the next few weeks, contagion be damned. He can't let companies be spooked enough to consider a move to other countries permanently. China's economy is already in slowdown mode even before SARS 2: Pandemic Boogaloo hit.
Just wait until the first time someone pops open the box on a newly manufactured computer, only to find body parts stuffed into the packaging.

Styrofoam costs less than cremation.
 

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Mexico is not only close its part of NAFTA. Lots of of our goods and food are made there already. Every country south of our border will be open for more business. Like someone else pointed out, expect turbulence but not the apocalypse.

That said, being frugal and repairing things is good advice.
I like repairing shit and making it better than factory standards anyway so I do not mind having a repair focused attitude. Only problem is the lack of know-how that permeates the world unfortunately. No society on Earth really promotes self sufficiency.
 

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So, how long before this thread is called RACIST? Joking about Corona-chan is insensitive!
A New York college is investigating whether an off-campus coronavirus-themed party violated the student code of conduct after an Asian American student group complained that it was insensitive and racist.
 

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I like repairing shit and making it better than factory standards anyway so I do not mind having a repair focused attitude. Only problem is the lack of know-how that permeates the world unfortunately. No society on Earth really promotes self sufficiency.

The nice thing is there is so much shit on youtube now, you can easily learn to fix shit on your own. So long as the internet and power is up, people can really self teach. Everything from fixing your car to upgrading your computer, growing food, fixing clothes and shoes, it's all there. One good thing about the Depression, the reason why our grandparents and great grandparents were so frugal and shit, was because of social and govt encouragement of that stuff, especially once the war started and people were recycling tin and doing victory gardens. The govt could be useful and do propaganda for that shit again.


It's not just a flu, but I expect Xi to force factories to start up in the next few weeks, contagion be damned. He can't let companies be spooked enough to consider a move to other countries permanently. China's economy is already in slowdown mode even before SARS 2: Pandemic Boogaloo hit.

Ironically, though this would cause a greater epidemic in China and accelerate deaths in the long term, it would be the best for the US and the West in the short term. If he really restarts the factories now, quarantines and safety be dammed, they might make enough goods before they start dropping dead to tide the system over until companies move production and restart it. IF companies still commit to bailing on China and don't say "Hey look the factories are started again, everything is fine!"

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Is it about the Peshtigo Fire? Because I remember enjoying his book about the Hartford circus fire.
Yes, that's the background, combined with a very real epidemic they were facing at the time. It's very stylized and macabre, but I loved it. I read it after I read his circus fire book, which is a good read too. The way the diptheria comes to town is haunting and now very relatable in current context.
 

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I don't know if banning all Chinese air travel would have actually been enough, but yeah that boggles me too how they wouldn't take such a basic obvious measure. Has *any* country even done this yet?
The countries big enough to matter haven't done nearly enough due to politicians.
Mexico is not only close its part of NAFTA. Lots of of our goods and food are made there already. Every country south of our border will be open for more business. Like someone else pointed out, expect turbulence but not the apocalypse.

That said, being frugal and repairing things is good advice.
That advice is anathema to a disposable economy.
 

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China shoves antibiotics at everyone and they managed to create azithromycin-resistant syphilis so draw your own conclusions there.
On the other hand, they tend to shove antibiotics at people as they shove them out the door, so maybe it's not as concentrated in the hospitals, making nosocomial infections less likely to be resistant?
 

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Ironically, though this would cause a greater epidemic in China and accelerate deaths in the long term, it would be the best for the US and the West in the short term. If he really restarts the factories now, quarantines and safety be dammed, they might make enough goods before they start dropping dead to tide the system over until companies move production and restart it.
China will literally grind their own people into the dirt just to save face, let alone keep up the GDP growth and keep clientele. They might even be more motivated by reputation at this point than by money.
 

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NFG. Those who don't listen just have to feel. Anyone with two brain cells could tell that having so many supplier eggs in one basket, at such a great distance from home, combined with the just-in-time inventory model was just asking for trouble. just too many vulnerable nodes in the system.

So these companies will spend the money they thought saved on getting substitutes, if possible, and relocating operations outside of China. Hey, when you are blinded by short-term profits you tend not to see a lot of things.

Went to the commissary today. Wife wanted frozen salmon. Looked around, found frozen salmon. Caught in China. No. Found some USA-produced salmon fillets. Paid more than for the Chinese-caught fish, but don't care. Look around at your frozen fish. More from China than might be thought. That will be another group of products that will be in short supply before long.

Also got the new laptop today, and have put it away.
 

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Apparently there is a first case in Iraq:



Also very interesting is the circled info, couldn't find anything an google tho (maybe someone has more patience than me doing research):

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edit: Found some info. Seems like the alleged patient zero is not the real patient zero:

No patient zero for the coronavirus outbreak in Lombardy

02/22/2020 | 9:49 p.m.

ROME (awp / afp) - The person hitherto considered to be at the origin of around fifty cases of contamination with the new coronavirus in Lombardy (northern Italy) cannot be the zero patient, originally of the epidemic, assured Saturday the vice-minister of Health.

"On the basis of the tests carried out, it did not develop the antibodies," said deputy minister Pierpaolo Sileri.

Since the announcement Friday of this first case quickly followed by dozens of others around the city of Codogno where Mattia, 38, was hospitalized, the media had given the hypothesis that he could have been infected by a friend who returned in January from China.

It was this friend who had initially been considered a possible "zero patient". Mattia, part of the American multinational Unilever, had dinner with him several times.

Placed in intensive care and intubated, he was transferred Saturday from Codogno to a larger hospital in Pavia.

Italy was Friday the first European country to deplore the death of one of its nationals, a 78-year-old mason died in Veneto, followed on Saturday by a 77-year-old resident of a village near Codogno, from the start of the viral pneumonia epidemic in China in December.

The peninsula is also the European country with the most cases with at least sixty people tested positive for the new coronavirus, including 46 in Lombardy and 12 in Veneto as well as one case in Turin, a person who had run a marathon with the framework from Codogno.

A dozen cities have been placed in semi-containment (public places are closed, except a few essential stores and pharmacies on duty) with more than 50,000 people asked to stay at home and avoid closed places.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte met with civil protection all day and then organized an extraordinary council of ministers.

New measures to contain the epidemic are expected, including the quarantine of people deemed at risk in military structures in Lombardy.



second edit to include this: --> special thanks to @Magnum Tenebrosum

The alleged ' zero patient ', the friend of the 38-year-old from Codogno who had dined with him after returning from China, never had the coronavirus. Deputy Minister of Health Pierpaolo Sileri told reporters. "The tests carried out - he said - showed that he did not develop antibodies" . The manager of the MAE of Firenzuola D'Arda , in the province of Piacenza , therefore tested negative for both the swab and the blood tests. The man had already tested negative for the first coronavirus test. Therefore, the spread of the virus in the Lodi area did not start with him.

"Patient zero didn't develop antibodies, it's not him. He has to be looked for. This changes the whole picture ." Deputy Minister of Health, Pierpaolo Sileri, clearly said, approached by reporters at the Civil Protection headquarters where the Council of Ministers is underway. At first it was thought that the 38-year-old runner from Codogno, patient 1, had contracted Covid 19 from the manager of the Mae of Firenzuola D'Arda his friend and that he had been having dinner with him after returning from China . But it is not so. So the people with whom the runner has come into contact are being reconstructed in detail. This is what Sileri claims.
 
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Adding a few hundred thousand jobs at $15 an hour isn't going to help most people afford a blanket that goes from $20 to $50, shoes that go from $50 to $80, or a smartphone that costs $2500 instead of $500. Even if you pay people federal minimum of $7.25 it's massively more than paying someone $.60 an hour, plus bennies, union shit, US state and federal safety regulations, mandated training, hr personnel. Do you think Wang Ling is going to have a diversity rep that makes $50k a year he can complain to when Shing Chu grabs his ass? Shelly in Idaho sure does. And she can't work more than x hours without a break, or x hours a day, and anything over 40 is time and a half.

There's a reason why manufacturing jobs have been leaving the US for the past 40 years. And don't mistake this for arguing for that: I'd love to see manufacturing jobs back here, less reliance on global imports, less of a drive to move Americans off actual work and on to UBI. But if that comes, it won't come without a massive negative effect on quality of life in the US in the near term at least.

There's not much we can do about it, except buy what you can now, save money now, think about living with less. Learn to make shit last longer. Repair instead of replace. If you can't afford a new phone every 2 years, take good care of your current one. Be frugal with food instead of buying too much so it expires and you throw out half of it. Look into cleaning and repairing your shoes instead of buying new ones. Buy better quality, less fashionable (ie timeless) basic clothes. Think of how you might live if you or your family members were unemployed for a few years, or took a 40% pay cut. Live like that now.

You don't have to start hoarding gold and guns and MREs, but you can make it so if we at least get as bad as 2008 or the late 70s malaise you won't suffer as much.
You are out of your mind if you think that unskilled labor accounts for 95%+ of the cost of bread, cell phones, cars, or blankets.

If we stop importing foreign scabs and make stuff here, the labor market will be so tight that the average, inflation-adjusted wages will be closer to $60 an hour, not $15.

Your assumptions about commerce-killing regulations and make-work HR jobs assume that that regulatory situation will remain static in the face of massive structural changes in the rest of the economy. Once companies have no choice but to hire and buy American, they will lobby to remove regulations that. impede worker productivity.

Making stuff here, or better yet locally within the USA, is more efficient in the sense that there are fewer man-hours spent on labor because no one needs to transport it or it's constituent parts thousands of miles. With improvements in manufacturing tech and 3D printing (:optimistic:) smaller businesses can benefit from scale... which is where research will go if global supply chains break down.

In case you didn't notice, prices go up every few months regardless of where stuff is made, so it may as well be made here. At least then the money stays in the country.

Making things here using Americans would dramatically improve quality and product lifespan, resulting in fewer greenhouse gases released overall and a lower price when you compare how often you replace shoddy products.

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Back on topic, if you get corona-chan, drink plenty of fluids and try to burn a fever as hot as possible, within reason.
 

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Russia-linked disinformation campaign fueling coronavirus alarm, US says

Washington (AFP) - Thousands of Russian-linked social media accounts have launched a coordinated effort to spread alarm about the new coronavirus, disrupting global efforts to fight the epidemic, US officials say.

The disinformation campaign promotes unfounded conspiracy theories that the United States is behind the COVID-19 outbreak, in an apparent bid to damage the US image around the world by seizing on health concerns.

State Department officials tasked with combating Russian disinformation told AFP that false personas are being used on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to advance Russian talking points in multiple languages.

"Russia's intent is to sow discord and undermine US institutions and alliances from within, including through covert and coercive malign influence campaigns," said Philip Reeker, the acting Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia.

"By spreading disinformation about coronavirus, Russian malign actors are once again choosing to threaten public safety by distracting from the global health response," he said.

The claims that have been circulating in recent weeks include allegations that the virus is a US effort to "wage economic war on China," that it is a biological weapon manufactured by the CIA or part of a Western-led effort "to push anti-China messages."

US individuals including Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, a philanthropist who has spent billions on global health programs, have also been falsely accused of involvement in the virus.

The disinformation campaign was identified by US monitors in mid-January after Chinese officials announced a third death from the new coronavirus in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

More than 2,340 people have since died, mostly in China. The number of cases exceeds 76,000 and the virus has reached around 25 countries. Among them is Iran, which on Saturday ordered the closure of schools and universities in two cities, after a fifth death.

 

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Anyone know if Chinese hospitals have the problems with MRSA and CDiff that American hospitals do? I can't imagine that would be helping recovery efforts.

You know, now that you mention it...

For the uninformed, CDiff and MSRA are fucking nightmares. Refuses to die. Cleaning protocol for MSRA rooms is to throw literally everything out and then wipe every single surface in the room with a bleach solution twice. Cdiff is even worse, throw everything out with even more prejudice, then clean the whole thing with industrial sanitizer, then again with bleach and one last time with cold water, including walls and even the fucking ceiling. Those things just refuse to die. They are fairly harmless unless you are immunocompromised, which is why they are contained in hospitals. Throwing into the mix a super contagious respiratory problem... Well, might want to postpone that surgery a few more months...
 

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