Wuhan Coronavirus: Response to Dr Li Wenliang's admonition and future developments - Happenings within China, "let's laugh at slant autism".

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Here are his alleged crimes, all dropped now.
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Translation of most recent development done by myself. I only made dot points of the interview as it was just regurgitating stuff already found in the report.
Date format is time dd/mm/yyyy. Time is 24-hour format. If you can't wrap your head around it, just deduct 12 from numbers bigger than 12 and slap pm at the end.

The People’s reported information relating to Doctor Li Wenliang: A Response

7th of February, 2020, State Supervision Department formed an investigation team to investigate information surrounding Dr Li Wenliang. Now, the investigation results will be reported on.


Section 1: Dr Li Wenliang’s background information, Wechat chatlogs, and the spread of information
Li Wenliang, Male, Manchu ethnic, born in October, 1985, from Jin Zhou of Liaoning, member of the CPC. He sadly passed away due to being infected with the new coronavirus on the 7th of February. He was an ophthalmologist working at Wuhan Central Hospital.

December, 2019, Chinese Western Fusion Hospital [1] of Hubei province, the “Hou Hu” area of Wuhan Central Hospital, Wuhan Redcross Hospital etc accepted patients with an unknown case of pneumonia. 27th of December, Chinese Western Fusion Hospital of Hubei province (CWH), Zhang Ji, the manager of the department of respiratory and critical illness reported information on 3 patients diagnosed with an unknown case of pneumonia. The hospital relayed this information to the department of disease control of Jiang Han district, city of Wuhan [2]. On the same day, the department of disease control of Wuhan tested these 3 patients for epidemic-related viruses. On the 29th of December, CWH reported on 4 cases of unknown pneumonia, all from Huanan Seafood market [3].

The Health Department of Wuhan organised experts for investigation, and brought the patients to Jin Yin Tan Hospital of Wuhan. Knowing that many hospitals in the city handled similar cases, the Department of Health of Wuhan released two reports, “Emergency: Relating to Unknown Cases of Pneumonia and their Conditions” and “Emergency: Relating to the Handling of this Case of Unknown Pneumonia” on 13:10 and 18:50 respectively, on 30/12/2019. They wanted professionals to handle the unknown pneumonia with care and investigate Huanan Seafood Market in retrospect. These two reports were released online on 15:22 and 19:00 respectively, on the same day.

17:30, 30/12/2019, Dr Li received messages from colleagues. On 17:43, Dr Li under the pseudonym of “Li Wenliang, Wuhan, Ophthalmology” appeared in the Wechat group “University of Wuhan, Clinical Grade 04” shared information regarding to “Huanan Fruit and Seafood market, 7 cases of SARS has been verified”, “we are waiting for the Hou Hu area of the hospital to quarantine these patients that are in critical conditions” etc. He included images of a pathogen report stating, “Highly likely, SARS Coronavirus, tested positive”, CT video footage that is 11 seconds. On 18:42, further information was released in this group stating, “new information, verified infection of coronavirus, we are analysing the virus”, “please don’t spread this, let family and friends be aware and take appropriate measures [4]”. Simultaneously, similar messages were shared among other Wechat groups. The reports that were uploaded online and Dr Li’s words was them spread, subsequently people began discussing the case and following it.

Section Two: Dr Li Wenliang reprimanded, discussions with the police and hospital information
On 13:38, 31/12/2019, Department of Health Wuhan’s report “Relating to the Pneumonia Infections and Situation in our City” claims that there’s 27 cases of such pneumonia, it is a viral infection, and there isn’t sufficient evidence that the virus is contagious [5], and no medical experts have been infected yet. Many media outlets reported on this case.

With the knowledge of Wuhan’s schedule to control the unknown pneumonia, the police department’s knowledge on controlling and preventing the virus, social law and order enforcement laws, in addition to the health department’s report, law enforcement subsequently investigated the spread of “SARS related viral infection” messages online.

At around 13:30, 03/01/2020, Police department of Wu Cang District, Wuhan, on Zhong Nan road contacted Dr Li Wenliang, who was accompanied by colleagues to visit the police station. The head of the police office Yang… An [6] scheduled the police accountable for handling back office duties, Hu… to talk to Dr Li Wenliang. After the conversation and fact checking, the incident was recorded. According to Dr Li Wenliang, the act of posting SARS-related information in Wechat groups was wrong, he will take precautions [7] next time. The police who talked to Dr Li made an admonition report. Dr Li Wenliang has one admonition report and left the police station on 14:30. The police involved in the conversation was back office police Hu… and one assistant police officer. Hu… signed his own name on the admonition report and Xu…’s name, who was another officer on the day’s schedule. In reality, Officer Xu did not join the conversation.

Before Dr Li Wenliang was reprimanded, on 31/12/2019, his messages were spread across numerous Wechat groups and shared online, Central Hospital of Wuhan had hospital managers talked to Dr Li. According to Dr Li Wenliang, he is regretful of his actions of spreading SARS-related information into his classmate groups. He said his original intentions were wanting his classmates to take appropriate measures. The hospital wanted Dr Li Wenliang to write a report [8]. Until Dr Li Wenliang was infected with the virus, he was working in ophthalmology as usual.

Section Three: Details on Dr Li Wenliang’s infection, emergency procedures, and rescue attempt
10/01/2020: Fevers
12/01/2020: Dr Li moved to Wuhan Central Hospital’s ophthalmology section as patient
14/01/2020: Dr Li moved to respiratory and critical conditions section
23/01/2020: Dr Li moved to respiratory and critical conditions section’s critical care area
07/02/2020: Dr Li passed away
09/12/2019, Dr Li was scheduled to work at the ophthalmology ward instead of outpatient area. He handled an 82-year-old patient with eye illness. The patient started to have fevers on 07/01 and was diagnosed with the virus after, who passed away on 23/01/2020. 10/01, Dr Li started to experience fevers as well, he was diagnosed at the fevers section of the hospital.

12/01, Dr Li was quarantined at district number two of Wuhan Central Hospital, ophthalmology section. He was diagnosed with acute eye conjunctivitis on the right eye and lung infections. 14/01, the illness in Li’s lungs worsens, and he was moved to the respiratory section of the hospital. He was quarantined, had his own patient room, and a special team of medical professionals to monitor aspects of his blood oxygen saturation, heart rates and blood pressure. They have been providing Dr Li with respiratory assistance, medicine to combat the virus, infections, sputum dissolving, and stomach protection etc. They also used hormones and gamma globulin. On 15/01 to 18/01, according to Dr Li’s illness status, the head doctor tweaked the prescribed medicine and treatment.

19/01, Dr Li’s fever worsened. In the afternoon, the leader of the medical team and an expert in the fields of respiratory, critical conditions, new coronavirus and pneumonia continues to monitor Dr Li’s illness, providing curing advice. That night, the hospital invited a medical expert in the fields of critical illnesses from Hua Zhong Technology University’s Tong Ji Hospital and Wuhan’s new Coronavirus pneumonia medical expert to provide Dr Li with treatments.

20/01 to 22/01, Dr Li’s fevers are gone, but he was still breathing heavily. On the 15th, 19th, 20th and 21st, various experts handling the new coronavirus in the hospital monitored Dr Li’s illnesses and provided medical advice.

23:50, 22/10, after a bathroom break, Dr Li started to suffer from respiratory and breathing difficultness. His blood saturation level dropped to 88%. After treatments, he felt slightly better. The medical team leader emphasised on the severity of the illness and moved Dr Li to an ICU at 3:30 in the morning, 23/01, after permission was given from his family.

Before 27/01, many hospitals including Wuhan Central Hospital did not have the equipment and ability to test nucleic acids. After the equipment was upgraded, on 27/01, Wuhan Central Hospital started to test for nucleic acids. On the 28th and 31st of January, Dr Li underwent nucleic acid testing twice, first result was negative, and second result was positive [9], to which he was diagnosed with the new coronavirus.

31/01-03/02, Dr Li’s fevers seem to be suppressed, breathing is back to normal, but his sanity and appetite was still on the low. 04/02, he starting to vomit and coughed rapidly, following with breathing issues, which was alleviated slightly after treatment. 05/02, Dr Li no longer has fevers, but he is still breathing heavily when at rest, and his pneumonia is worsened. 06/02, Dr Li’s illness became more serious, pneumonia is worse, and he was at risk for further serious conditions. After the medical team’s discussion, under the guidance of two nurses and permission from his family, he was transported to the Hou Hu section which has better medical capabilities. He arrived there on 18:55, permission was given on 18:20.

19:20, 06/02, Dr Li suffered from delusions, drop of heart rate, and progressive decline in blood pressure. He was treated with epinephrine, which loosens blood vessels that makes it easier to increase blood pressure. A medical respiratory machine was also used to help his breathing issues. 21:30, cardiopulmonary resuscitation therapy was used, which helps the heart. Specialised medicine was used, and the rescue attempt continues. 22:40, a borrowed EMCO (aka artificial lungs) from Wuhan Ya Xin hospital was used [10] in Dr Li’s treatment. Wuhan health department organised experts from Beijing Xie He hospital to aid in rescuing Dr Li. On 2:58, 07/20, Dr Li passed away, illustrated by the straight line on the ECG. His death was released on 3:48 to the public [12].

According to doctors who participated in the emergency, Dr Li is their colleague, he’s still young, and they don’t want him to go. They said if there’s even a glimpse of hope, they will not give up, nothing else but trying to save him was in their mind at the time. Therefore, the rescuing was prolonged. The leader of the medical team says, although they were not able to save Dr Li, they tried their best, the team was professional, and the rescue attempt was immediate. According to professionals who reviewed the case, the hospital’s rescue attempt was professional, and they obtained permission from Dr Li’s family whenever it is needed, they were able to reflect on the illnesses and make swift decisions.

Section Four: Details on the reparations and aftercare of Dr Li Wenliang and his family
After Dr Li tragically passed away, Wuhan Central Hospital formed a special group to take care of Dr Li’s family. During the afternoon of 07/02, leaders at the hospital visited Dr Li’s parents, his wife and children. Responding to Dr Li’s wife’s request, his child and wife were brought to the hospital to recover.

After Wuhan Central Hospital’s request to Wuhan Human Resources and Social Security Bureau, Dr Li’s passing away was attributed to work injuries. According to legislature, Dr Li’s family received work injury reparations, and money to help with the funeral [11]. The insurance company also paid Dr Li’s family the insured amount and an additional portion dedicated to medical staff who were at the front line of combating the virus. Wuhan Central Hospital’s union held a fundraiser event for Dr Li’s family, and the Redcross of Wuhan relayed donations to Dr Li’s family.

04/03, National Health Department and other departments decided to commend individuals that assisted in combating the new coronavirus, among them was Dr Li Wenliang.

Section Five: Advice on future work
Due to Zhong Nan Road police station’s inappropriate admonition report [12], inadequate law enforcing procedure, the investigation team recommended the supervisory authority of Wuhan to monitor and correct the wrongdoings, investigate the people who breached the code of contact, and release the results to the public.

Interview Summary
  • Investigation team was formed on 08/02, officials visited Wuhan and many citizens wanted an answer
  • 240+ files were analysed
  • Dr Li was not faced with any discrimination or isolation after he was unlawfully reprimanded, the hospital didn’t punish him
  • Dr Li being reprimanded was unlawful, the admonition case has no basis, and is dropped. The law enforcement that’s accountable will be punished
  • Dr Li showed symptoms on 10/01, he was diagnosed on 31/01. This is because he contacted an 82-year-old person with the virus, and the hospital did not have any medical equipment to actually test for the virus.
  • A magazine got the Dr Li’s time of passing away wrong. 22:40 06/02, EMCO was used. 3:48 the next day, Wuhan Central Hospital released the news.
  • Dr Li’s death is considered work injury, his family was rewarded 785,000 yuan and 36,800 yuan for the funeral. 2020 renewed some of these laws, so his family was awarded with another grant that’s not disclosed. The insurance reward was also not disclosed. There’s also fundraising evens and donations that have been relayed to the family.
  • Dr Li is an outgoing person, he’s professional, good at his job, willing to help others, and he wanted to be cured as soon as possible because “my co-workers must be very busy, they need me there” as he states. Objectively, his original intent was caring about family and friends, and he in no way broke the law.
  • He is a member of the CPC
Footnotes
[1]: Yeah, that’s literally the fucking name.
[2]: The disease was first reported on 27/12/2019
[3]: So the first cases of the virus were NOT from this market. This is basically China saying they have and know the identity of “patient zero”.
[4]: He was reprimanded for spreading rumours, lol.
[5]: Department of Health said this.
[6]: Chinese law prohibits the release of full names of individuals unless under extraordinary circumstances, this is done to protect the criminal and law enforcement. I partly agree, some names such as those of child molesters should be released however. Yang… An is Yang [redacted] An, 某 means “one, some person someone, some word…”.
[7]: Shut up goy.
[8]: No idea what they meant by 認識材料
[9]: Accuracy of the test seems to suck
[10]: The hospital had one EMCO, but it was being used on another patient at the time. Pretty humane of them to not just strip that machine from the patient to save mianzi. Good job.
[11]: They got almost 800,000 yuan initially according to the interview, they were given more afterwards.
[12]: According to the interview, Dr Li did not break any laws and whatever stupid admonition case that was tangled to him is now of no effect.
[13]: The time disparity discussed earlier was a mistake some magazine made. 18:55, Dr Li was moved to the Hou Hu section in critical care. He didn’t pass away yet. Information was released by Wuhan Central Hospital on 3:48. People’s Daily probably took the wrong information released by the magazine.
 
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> 17:30, 30/12/2019, Dr Li received messages from colleagues. On 17:43, Dr Li under the pseudonym of “Li Wenliang, Wuhan, Ophthalmology” appeared in the Wechat group “University of Wuhan, Clinical Grade 04” shared information regarding to “Huanan Fruit and Seafood market, 7 cases of SARS has been verified”
> 19:20, 06/02/2020, Dr Li suffered from delusions, ....

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Dr Li's delusions clearly already started on the 30th of December last year, why else did they have to reprimand his ass for undermining the fruits of his own labours?
 
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Let's see... China and America exchanged information on the virus on 3rd of Jan, that's the same date which Dr Li was reprimanded.
Well yeah, she does have a point. The two countries have been exchanging information continuously and the nothing was really done until recently to suppress the spread of the virus... whatever

Most hospitals in Wuhan weren't able to test for the virus until 27th of January.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....:thinking:
 

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Here's a proper timeline:

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

  • Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
  • Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
  • Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
Dec. 31:

  • Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
  • China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioning eight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

  • An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.
Jan. 2: Chinese researchers map the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

  • The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
  • Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.
Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

  • The first case announced in South Korea.
  • Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.
Jan. 21:

  • The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
  • CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
  • China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."
Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.

Here's a medical report: https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2020/03/covid-19-china.page

The study estimates that by the end of February 2020 there was a total of 114, 325 COVID-19 cases in China. It shows that without non-pharmaceutical interventions – such as early detection, isolation of cases, travel restrictions and cordon sanitaire – the number of infected people would have been 67 times larger than that which actually occurred.

The research also found that if interventions in the country could have been conducted one week, two weeks, or three weeks earlier, cases could have been reduced by 66 percent, 86 percent and 95 percent respectively – significantly limiting the geographical spread of the disease. However, if NPIs were conducted one week, two weeks, or three weeks later than they were, the number of cases may have shown a 3-fold, 7-fold, or 18-fold increase, respectively.
If China didn't intervene when they did, the virus would have been 67 times worse.
If China intervened earlier, as early as 3 weeks, as many as 95% cases would have been prevented.

I'm hoping to see similar studies based on countries other than China. What if Italy prepared one month in advance?

The argument is simple. If China acted 3 weeks earlier, 95% decrease in the ill. So if they took it very seriously and started to sequence the shit out of the plague etc, it could have been easily contained. This should apply to every other country too, since after China analysed the virus, it is fully known and out in the public. What's the reason to not prepare when it's 100% known? These should be coming out shortly I suspect.
 
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Li Wenliang was a goddamned hero. And the fact that the Chinese people haven't overthrown their government despite being aware of what happened to Dr. Li just goes to show the effectiveness of the repressive regime that the Chinese Communist Party have created.
 

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Here's a proper timeline:

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

  • Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
  • Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
  • Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
Dec. 31:

  • Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
  • China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioning eight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

  • An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.
Jan. 2: Chinese researchers map the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

  • The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
  • Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.
Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

  • The first case announced in South Korea.
  • Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.
Jan. 21:

  • The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
  • CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
  • China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."
Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.

Here's a medical report: https://www.southampton.ac.uk/news/2020/03/covid-19-china.page


If China didn't intervene when they did, the virus would have been 67 times worse.
If China intervened earlier, as early as 3 weeks, as many as 95% cases would have been prevented.

I'm hoping to see similar studies based on countries other than China. What if Italy prepared one month in advance?

The argument is simple. If China acted 3 weeks earlier, 95% decrease in the ill. So if they took it very seriously and started to sequence the shit out of the plague etc, it could have been easily contained. This should apply to every other country too, since after China analysed the virus, it is fully known and out in the public. What's the reason to not prepare when it's 100% known? These should be coming out shortly I suspect.
So, in China does anyone buy the offical story that it was just the local wuhan officals who covered it up, or is China's central government also getting blamed for this?
 

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Huh? Maybe this is me Mandella Effecting or something but I distinctly remember hearing news reports about it on NPR in December?
I specifically remember first hearing about "a flu outbreak" in China just before Christmas around the time of my mother's birthday. But I did not really get into it until the first week of January. And things didn't really start popping off until around mid-January.
 

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So, in China does anyone buy the offical story that it was just the local wuhan officals who covered it up, or is China's central government also getting blamed for this?
That's factually what happened.
It's not just officials of Wuhan being stupid spaydos, the upper power-structure of the entire province of Hubei have been complacent, they were in shambles. Of course, Wuhan is the capital of Hubei where all the powers of the province are found. So in this case, Wuhan is effectively Hubei in terms of power structure.

The correct response would be this...

The police gets the documents Dr Li produced, the CT scan footage, and send it all straight to universities/departments that handle this stuff, instead of just reprimanding the man.
A strong one party state require strong bonds and communication, one rotting point will render the entire structure in shambles. That's what we're seeing now. One fuck up by Wuhan, Hubei the province the city is in didn't care much, entire China gets fucked. China got fucked, the world will follow sooner or later, then everyone gets fucked unless the leadership did something as early as possible.

But instead China has some draconian rumour laws that was a consequence of one single fucking outlier crime, and these tiny players would be far too scared to challenge it. They can't do shit either since obviously Dr Li is far right on the IQ bellcurve while these dipshit coppers are probably on the left side (ie low IQ). Their response to not being able to comprehend the scope of Li's findings are to assume it's fake, typical low IQ response. Correct response as I've said, would be to get knowledgeable people involved.

Here's the timeline, I've encased dates in rectangles to illustrate the levels of danger.
Green: This is weird, but it's pretty normal it seems
Orange: This is worrying and it must be addressed
Red: It's severe and the consequences are unimaginable
Dried blood: Catastrophe
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It's similar to this:
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The measures of control should be placed somewhere in the orange rectangle before everything just blows up. Which makes the ideal timeline look like this:

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.
Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.
Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.
Dec. 30:
  • Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
  • Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
  • Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
  • All information currently know is sent straight to Beijing, and select patients diagnosed with the unknown virus are transported to Shanghai for treatment and analysis [1]
Dec. 31:
  • Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
  • Chinese researches start mapping the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. [2]
  • China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Beijing (and Xi Jinping) becomes involved in the response [3]
Jan. 2:
China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome. [4]
Jan. 3–6:
Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, since the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases, they are all rounded up and shot. [5]
Jan. 7-14:

  • Beijing announces that all CNY gatherings are strictly banned, people who breach the ban will be fed to crocodiles. [6]
  • Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.
  • Zhong Nanshan involvement
  • People's Daily reports on the virus to inform the masses in China
  • Wuhan is locked down, no one is allowed to leave, those who dare to will leave in a coffin or a jar
[1]: It took the P3 lab in Shanghai and P4 superlab in Wuhan 1 day to analyse the genome of the virus
[2]: Same as above
[3]: This is critical, since Wuhan houses politicians that don't have a penis... they do but it should be taken away now
[4]: 30th of Dec - 2nd of Jan, 3 days is more than enough, since Shanghai and Wuhan only took one day
[5]: At this time, all the politicians of Wuhan who knows the issue but was ignoring it or actively trying to hide it should have been jailed for treason
[6]: 7-10 days is more than enough for all this to happen, China showed us that only one week is enough for all this happen already.
So I believe if the officials of Wuhan weren't utter fucking retards, the combating of the virus could have been executed 10 days earlier, which should theoretically reduce at least 80% of infections. We can see in original the timeline, Xi was involved on the 7th, the genome is mapped out on the 9th, and 11-17 would be CPC visiting Wuhan, and 18th is when Wuhan had their Coronachan festival. Epidemiologists were only sent there on the 19th, and on the 21st, Beijing reigns down power and warns the masses. There simply wasn't enough time to decisively act and control. The gathering was the most damning part for these reasons:
  • It was a PRE-CNY!!!!! gathering. CNY is on the 5th of February. That's 18 days later.
  • What happens after the gathering? People leave Wuhan, back home, and infect everyone there.
  • Being Pre-CNY, people from all over China are gathered before they GO HOME.
  • The pre-CNY gathering on the 18th was the ultimate catalyst of the virus, and since it was held in Wuhan despite a clear epidemic being brewed, the officials of Wuhan and consequentely Hubei must be held accountable
  • Basically, one massive pocket taken over by Coronachan sprung into smaller pockets, and this is only possible during the months of CNY.
The gathering being just one day after the meeting ended, means Beijing can't really be blamed in this entire fucking mess, at least within China. Globally, Beijing represents China, which means Wuhan's fuck up will be blamed on them rightfully so.

The response after Beijing came in, in my opinion, was solid. Hear me out though, it's solid but it was almost as good as doing nothing, for China only [7]. The virus has an incubation period of 2-14-20-40 days. People show symptoms as soon as 2 days, some in a week or two, and the longest known currently is 40 days. Because of this, and the nature of responding rather than prevention when epidemics happen (no one can predict the future), locking down as soon as possible is vital. It would be unfair to ask China to respond when absolutely no signs of a major epidemic is shown, given the fucked up long and ambiguous incubation period, and the fucking season being winter where colds are rampant, all combined with the CNY where people are looking forward to gathering with their families, once a year only. This simply cannot be done, it's impossible, it's utopian, just like the ideology of Communism. This incubation period is just damning, which is why the virus seems very unnatural to normies. What could have been done of course as I've illustrated, officials of Wuhan asking Beijing to get involved 10 days earlier.

10 Dec: First known case
+6
16 Dec: Patient treated
+11
27 Dec: A wild Coronachan appears!
So we have 17 days here. Tightly matches up with the typical incubation period of 2-14 days.
After knowing it's a new virus, Wuhan officials should have started to cautiously monitor the situation, get the virus analysed and the gnome sequenced with their P4 top-notch fucking lab that they don't deserve to have, and get Beijing involved.
My timeline grants 5 days for Beijing to come in, I think it's reasonable.


If CPC locked down Wuhan before the gathering and before people started leaving the city to celebrate CNY, much of China wouldn't be affected at all. It's going to suck for these people, but China can always make arrangements, such as extending the holiday. Then it would be entire China assisting one city, rather than each province blowing up at different fucking times, provinces keeping medical supplies to their own out of fear, people being utterly paranoid and start flying all over the country and out of the country. Wuhan officials are entirely to blame for not letting Beijing know as soon as possible. Even if there's a mass Exodus after Wuhan is locked in my timeline, it wouldn't matter too much. Nobody in Wuhan shall escape, Ching Chong from Beijing flying to Tianjing or Ling Long from Shanghai escaping to Nanjing won't fucking matter, there is no hotspots of virusus outside of Wuhan. They can fly around all they like.

Of course, not only Wuhan should be locked. Wuhan should be encased. Like this:
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Wuhan is geographically a disaster for epidemics. It's in the middle of China, connected to the most provinces possible, which renders it the biggest blue collar middle class working city.
All the surrounding provinces should have their borders secured, and strict testing measures implemented. This is how China responded after Beijing was involved, albeit too late.

After Beijing was involved, in 6 days, Wuhan gets locked down. This means that in an authoritarian state, it takes just 6 days to lock the city up. So the ideal time of Beijing's involvement should be 6 days prior to the Wuhan gathering on the 18th, making it around the 16th. Then since it took CPC a week of ground work at Wuhan, this is is subtracted, making the response time around the 8th-9th. So my timeline makes it a bit early. We can thus conclude that China could have responded up to 2 weeks earlier if the officials of Wuhan weren't corrupted as shit.

Some might ask, why didn't China just lock itself entirely?
1. Economical war. Many western powers want China dead, why would they just self-immolate? Locking down a major city, followed by many provinces isn't enough? I can't see how countries that's as big and not a dictatorship will be able to do this at all. Taiwan is an island, they were able to shield themselves. Singapore is a dictatorship, they got shit done quick. Australia is an island just like Taiwan, yet we fucked up big time.
2. Why aren't we locking ourselves up? Reason is the same.
3. Who's gonna help China with borders all shut? Japan will give some help as they've shown right from the beginning, some other tiny political allies will... and... then? Should China expect people outside to give a shit? No, as we shouldn't expect China to give a shit about us, because they don't.
4. China makes 50% of the world's masks. I hate globalism as much as the next guy, but this will trickle down.
5. Locking down the world's most populated country that's the 3rd largest, during CNY of all time? This isn't Hogwarts. Would it be possible to completely lock America down during Christmas? How about 4 of those?
6. All this wouldn't even matter if Wuhan politicians didn't only care about their position. If the 5 million mass Exodus from Wuhan was prevented, the virus would be prevented. I personally think it's at least a 10 million mass Exodus, I do not believe the numbers uttered from the mouths of Wuhan's politicians.

To summarise, here are my opinions on why the virus blew up in China.
- Wuhan politicians being shit
- Virus being spawned pre-CNY
- Wuhan politicians being shit
- Not repeating myself
- Beijing involvement was timed right when Wuhan had their Coronachan Festival
- Demonic incubation periods and false-positives. A 17yo in Korea recently died from the virus. He was tested 7 fucking times, and only when he died, he was tested positive. Korean doctors went WTF over this, they are now analysing the case.
- Wuhan hospitals having inadequate equipment, (Wuhan politicians are shit)
- Wuhan's geography
- Wuhan is one of the few "Supercities" in China. A supercity is defined as having more than 10 million people. Wuhan is home to 19,000,000 people in 2015. Yeah, that's a 2015 statistic.
- Wuhan despite being a supercity, is only a sub-tier-1 city, lacking sufficient medical equipment, healthcare etc.

There's this old saying in the ancient times in China. When faced with an epidemic, the people will be able to see if their politicians (upper powers during that time) care about the people, or their hats (metaphor for their position, 烏紗帽 which is a black hat Chinese politicians/powers wore to indicate their position). It's fair to say that the politicians of Wuhan only cares about their powerful position.

Globally, of course for the spread of the virus, it would be China taking a sizeable chunk of blame. The officials of Wuhan are likely appointed by Hubei as a province, however, Wuhan is also the capital of Hubei, where all the powers of Hubei are expected to reside in. Therefore, Wuhan cannot escape the blame here.

As for WHO, fuck them.
Their initial response was as shit as Wuhan's. Of course they are licking the butt of China, their incompetence assisted in the spread of the virus in China and most Chinese I've talked to wants their HQ firebombed. China can use Wuhan's shitbags as an excuse, WHO's jumpy actions and negligence is inexcusable. They can lick China's butt and say their response is solid from the beginning (no it's not) blah all they fucking want, I don't care about their opinion. The average Chinese in mainland China that's sensible should dislike WHO as much as the politicians of Wuhan.
 

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That's factually what happened.
It's not just officials of Wuhan being stupid spaydos, the upper power-structure of the entire province of Hubei have been complacent, they were in shambles. Of course, Wuhan is the capital of Hubei where all the powers of the province are found. So in this case, Wuhan is effectively Hubei in terms of power structure.

The correct response would be this...

The police gets the documents Dr Li produced, the CT scan footage, and send it all straight to universities/departments that handle this stuff, instead of just reprimanding the man.
A strong one party state require strong bonds and communication, one rotting point will render the entire structure in shambles. That's what we're seeing now. One fuck up by Wuhan, Hubei the province the city is in didn't care much, entire China gets fucked. China got fucked, the world will follow sooner or later, then everyone gets fucked unless the leadership did something as early as possible.

But instead China has some draconian rumour laws that was a consequence of one single fucking outlier crime, and these tiny players would be far too scared to challenge it. They can't do shit either since obviously Dr Li is far right on the IQ bellcurve while these dipshit coppers are probably on the left side (ie low IQ). Their response to not being able to comprehend the scope of Li's findings are to assume it's fake, typical low IQ response. Correct response as I've said, would be to get knowledgeable people involved.
If the Chinese government would have just come out and said this, I would be more sympathetic. Still wouldn't like them, but I could temper my growing dislike somewhat. I totally understand how difficult managing such a large system can be and how weak points in that system can cause huge problems. Now I trust them even less and am not sure what they can do to ever make me feel comfortable with the current regime/system/nation. We all deserve better government, but goddamn China.

Also thank you so much for all of your hard work with this. It is greatly appreciated and we are lucky to have you here. As far as I can tell you're the only Kiwi willing and able to get onto Chinanet and then go the step further and translate it.
 

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If the Chinese government would have just come out and said this, I would be more sympathetic. Still wouldn't like them, but I could temper my growing dislike somewhat. I totally understand how difficult managing such a large system can be and how weak points in that system can cause huge problems. Now I trust them even less and am not sure what they can do to ever make me feel comfortable with the current regime/system/nation. We all deserve better government, but goddamn China.

Also thank you so much for all of your hard work with this. It is greatly appreciated and we are lucky to have you here. As far as I can tell you're the only Kiwi willing and able to get onto Chinanet and then go the step further and translate it.
Pretty much. Even if they just tossed the blame entirely onto the 4 or 5 officials of Wuhan and admitted that they could have done better, it will show that Xi is at least a humble despite being transparent as fuck. They likely won't do anything besides self-flagellation and circle jerking; oh how "good of a job we've done".

China is basically stuck with Xi now until the man either resigns or dies of old age. China recently abolished the 5 year per term, max 2 turns kind of system. America has it at 4 years per term and maximum of 2 consecutive ones.

I would say that most of our politicians have been equally bad. It's sad to see. I simply wish the best for the people and the worst for these dipshit politicians that didn't do their job.

You can thank me by sending Wumao to MundaneGoldstein@CPC.gov.cn on Alipay or downvoting every single one of this person's recent videos:
And have a laugh here:

Poor Matt. He should do delivery in China, they are paid over $100 a day during the crisis.
Oh and make it a one-way ticket.
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Think about Matt, turn on the adblocker...
 

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This would be a good thread to centralize all discussions about China's ongoing Coronavirus PR/diplomatic shenanigans as well in light of articles like these:

Some background on their overall goals:

Lots of rumors being spread right now (Wechat, Twitter and Youtube are some of the main social media prongs of attack, while traditional media is used to launder talking points):

Commentary:

And some analysis:
 
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This would be a good thread to centralize all discussions about China's ongoing Coronavirus PR/diplomatic shenanigans as well in light of articles like these:

Some background on their overall goals:

Lots of rumors being spread right now (Wechat, Twitter and Youtube are some of the main social media prongs of attack, while traditional media is used to launder talking points):

Commentary:

And some analysis:
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Li Wenliang was a goddamned hero. And the fact that the Chinese people haven't overthrown their government despite being aware of what happened to Dr. Li just goes to show the effectiveness of the repressive regime that the Chinese Communist Party have created.

It's sort of scary to see this thing being installed worldwide atm - well, mostly in 5 eye countries.
It's not so much the colour or tone of the government, but the willingness to capitulate to limited freedoms of it's people and willingness to cut the economy off at the knees.

In Australia for example, supposed "conservative" leader, Scott Morrison is oddly excited that people will lose their houses, incomes, lives to economic ruin, as long as it "saves the few". I mean, I've never seen people so giddy to tell people "Oh, btw, that life you thought you could have? Nah."
Shutting the country down, taking away income and jobs from people, forcing them to lose everything they've worked for and lose their purpose is genuinely going to kill more people than this over-hyped "flu". Yet... crickets on that.
You've seen that happen in China and western govs just outright do not care whatsoever. They're just giddy that they're able to rule with an iron fist.

You have economic measures being proposed like "If the gov bails your company out, then they should own a percent of your company" or things like "buying back private property from people who fail on mortgages in this time isn't a bad thing, private property is a bad thing".

There's going to be a hell of a lot of Dr Li's out there in the future. Just all over the world. It's legit scary.

I don't think westerners get how easily it happened to the Chinese or the Norks. They were once free people too.
 

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Shutting the country down, taking away income and jobs from people, forcing them to lose everything they've worked for and lose their purpose is genuinely going to kill more people than this over-hyped "flu".
That's certainly one way to look at it. I am not sure we can assign such a motive to this situation. To frame it as the government forcing people to lose their jobs and purpose is really disingenuous.
 

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And some analysis:
Pretty disappointed at that nothingburger "analysis". Maybe it's because I've lived and studied in China, and understand the country inside-out, even the history of it, so their response was nothing but expected from my point of view. I honestly hope they graphed stuff out, up the statistical autism. But it's shitty NYtimes and they can't code.

The video claimed to have analysed a bunch of tweets and arrived at 3 talking points.
Spinning optimism: Uh... isn't that the point of media when it comes to war and epidemics? People are being barred home in anger and agony, the last thing everyone wants to see is the news talking about someone suffering and dying from the virus. This is going to sound faggy as fuck, but a positive mind does help people to get through the day in such times. It's like religion being the home of relief during tragic times.
Protecting China's image: Nothing new. Media surrounding China either seeks to damage the country's reputation as much as possible or to cuck to the country as much as possible. This is why I always suggest people to base their opinions on their own findings, not any news outlet talking about China, let it be China's state owned CCTV rubbish or Falungong's trash.
Spin the origin: Really? I've only seen that dumbfuck Zhao's stupid implication on the origins of the virus. China's official stance is "whatever scientists say". Unless Xi Jinping himself or someone close to him comes out and imply these stupid conspiracy theories, then it's just himself (Zhao's) and his own words. He received backlash even on Weibo. People are shocked that someone in such a position will entertain low-hanging conspiracy theories.

Here's some very good information: https://www.axios.com/china-coronav...kai-1b0404e8-026d-4b7d-8290-98076f95df14.html
By the way, Cui Tiankai called the idea of the virus originating from a USA lab "crazy". He also explains why he will neither defend nor debunk the words of Zhao.
This idea of having to disavow is cancerous to begin with. Can you imagine Trump having to disavow his supporters each time some crazy goes off the radar and does something stupid? Most of the time, the crazy person isn't even tangentially related to Trump supporting.

They pulled up some rubbish from Weibo... great journalism there NYtimes. Guess what also can be found on weibo?
This: https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-health-doctor-490836
To claim that Trump got the virus.
Then there's also people claiming that America has 10 ships dedicated to combating the virus, when in reality it's 2.
Weibo is full of fake shit, it's less reliable than Twitter.

Zhong Nanshan saying the origin might not be Wuhan or China... and is he wrong? He didn't say it's from the USA or anywhere, and that piece was from the first month of the virus' inception, being January.

I do remember one arrest regarding to people on Weibo claiming that the virus comes from America. If obviously made up fake news reaches 500 shares, the person is held responsible.
Here's 2 pieces talking about fearmongering, rumours, and conspiracy theories. There's a lot more, but since it's NYtimes, they will never spend the time to find stuff. All they did was use a bot to compile a spreadsheet of tweets. They didn't even bother outlining the method they used to land on 3 talking points, and the sample they are using isn't even random so their conclusion doesn't even mean anything, though expected because it's China.

http://www.ailab.cn/html/3954138.html (https://archive.md/AqPlh)
https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1660785008702214635&wfr=spider&for=pc (https://archive.md/3b8MI)

China's state news outlets only focusing on negative news when it comes to America... I wonder why?
https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/status/1240701140141879298
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When China is willing to even officially support Japan, there's something truly fucked up going on. It's kind of clear why though. When the virus first blew up in China, no American officials gave any help. Countries from China's massive boogeyman of an enemy Japan to Iran, to European and African ones all at some time on some level officially assisted China. The ones that didn't never tried to pour salt in the wound. Many Chinese TV programmes even suspended those laughable and autistic Sino-Japanese WW2 drama films. I guess this is Null's "you help me, I owe favours" kind of thing in play.

This is where the vendetta came from. There's an old idiom of 以眼還眼以牙還牙 (if someone stares at you, stare them back, if someone yells, you yell back), kind of like how the NAP works.

I'm obviously not going to defend what China's state mouthpieces are doing. Fuck the lot of them. I'm just explaining the Chinaman's thought. One would hope China's state media to be the bigger man here and look pass Trump's lousy Twitter episodes to focus on Coronachan combating efforts from medical professionals in the USA, but they likely won't, not at all. China sees this as weakness, not being humble.

I tried searching these phrases on People's Daily: https://twitter.com/search?q=(USA OR america OR covid-2019) (from:PDChina)&src=typed_query&f=live
There really isn't much to see here. It's just lame political banter and nature stuff.

Although I don't give a shit about raycizm/Xenophobia, I unironically agree with WHO on this one thing.
The scientific naming of the virus should be completely neutral. It shouldn't imply the origin, it shouldn't even imply an animal or species. The majority of people will not look deeper beyond a name. If we ask people on the streets about the Spanish Flu, chances are they think it came from Spain, while Spain was actually the whistle blower.
So many still think the Spanish Flu originated in Spain and the Russian Flu originated in Russia while it's not at all the case.
First case of SARS was believed to be in Guangzhou, the Spanish Flu has origins have been traced to somewhere as far as Russia. So it's Russia > Chinese labourers > Europe/America if these findings are to be believed. H1N1 swine flu likely came from Mexico.
One also must differentiate between historians and scientists. Sometimes historians claim stuff that's scientifically untrue or debunked later.
Spanish Flu: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/ https://archive.md/wip/c0Xc5
 

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When China is willing to even officially support Japan, there's something truly fucked up going on. It's kind of clear why though. When the virus first blew up in China, no American officials gave any help. Countries from China's massive boogeyman of an enemy Japan to Iran, to European and African ones all at some time on some level officially assisted China. The ones that didn't never tried to pour salt in the wound. Many Chinese TV programmes even suspended those laughable and autistic Sino-Japanese WW2 drama films. I guess this is Null's "you help me, I owe favours" kind of thing in play.

I think this is going to be a he-said she-said sort of thing depending on the diplomatic messaging required:

February 7:
For more than a month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts to China to observe its coronavirus outbreak and help if it can.

Normally, teams from the agency’s Epidemic Intelligence Service can be in the air within 24 hours.

But no invitation has come — and no one can publicly explain why.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/health/cdc-coronavirus-china.html (Archive)

February 8:
The US government on Friday reiterated a call to Beijing to send US medical experts to China as part of efforts to halt the spread of the novel coronavirus and pledged to spend up to US$100 million to assist the country and others impacted by the contagion.

"Our longstanding offer to send world class experts to China remains on the table,” Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told reporters in Washington, adding that the US had identified 13 experts to be part of a proposed 25-person World Health Organisation team to assist Chinese specialists trying to bring the outbreak under control.

"These are virologists, drug development experts and epidemiologists who would be part of that team. We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept that team that the WHO has put together,” Azar said.

“We have made the request now for almost a month, to say we are ready, willing and able,” he added.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...s-announces-us100-million-aid-china-and-other (Archive)

And the CPC's retort on March 21:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-...china-says-it-has-received-no-us-aid-/1773739 (Archive)

It's also not just Zhao pushing those allegations- a good proportion of China's diplomatic apparatus on Twitter is also engaging in this push:
https://www.axios.com/beijings-coro...bal-f2bc610c-e83f-4890-9ff8-f49521ad6a14.html (Archive)

IMO, Cui Tiankai's statement is likely more indicative of a high-level retort (note that it's a 'rare' interview) of the allegations made in the last month and a recognition to pull back to a certain extent- not an immediate refutation of the allegations (which started in early March/late February and had a month to percolate around China and abroad).

At this point, I doubt there'll be a consensus reached on the virus nor will we know who's acting in bad-faith, but I agree with you- the CPC should have stayed out of it and responded only with medical aid, not mud-flinging over twitter.
 
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