WW3 - Paint the Map! -

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

You're right, but they're both sick of the US hegemony and would be willing to work together to take us down first before they would decide what to do with each other.

It's not unlike the Axis during WW2, it's possible had they won they would have eventually fought a war amongst each other, but at the time they were allied to focus on taking down others.

Disagree.

They hate US hegemony but still don't trust each other enough nor hate the US hegemony enough to try a martial alliance against the USA and its allies. China would have to fight India and the USA at least on land while relying on *possible* suppkrt from a Russian military with extremely limited power projection capabilities. Nevermind that China still has yet to float a serious blue water navy itself.

Also, the Axis was an agreement between regional powers for regional hegemony. They may have had global ambitions, but those were still not entirely realistic and the scenario was reversed. They had more reason to trust each other and fight the hegemons than they did to fight/distrust the other members of the Axis.

Finally, the much more atteactive route to their current aims is grey warfare. Think little green men and martial harassment in the air and in the cyberspace. Both of these countries know that any other war against the current hegemons means annihilation, so why not take the low-risk, realistic approach to accomplishing their aims themselves?

 

[Dom Cruise]

Disagree.

They hate US hegemony but still don't trust each other enough nor hate the US hegemony enough to try a martial alliance against the USA and its allies.

They do hate it enough though, they want the US hegemony gone more than you realize, they absolutely want this and would be willing to fight a large scale war to get it.

America is weak as hell at the moment, you think they're looking at our "diversified" military and our endless riots that we just let happen and are not laughing at us? America's about to collapse on it's own, so why not go ahead and give it that extra push?

They think they can take us, doesn't mean it's not going to blow up in their faces though (literally!)

China would have to fight India and the USA at least on land while relying on *possible* suppkrt from a Russian military with extremely limited power projection capabilities. Nevermind that China still has yet to float a serious blue water navy itself.

You're assuming these power hungry leaders are thinking rationally and not letting their lust for power blind them to reality, was Hitler rational? He kept ignoring advice from his military advisors at the cost of German victory.

Guys like Hitler, Putin and Xi Jinping are sociopathic, narcissistic and egotistical, they think their country will win because hey, they're running it, any question that they wouldn't win would bruise their egos and these guys have egos the size of Texas.

So don't assume every decision Russia or China makes is going to be purely rational, was Dubya thinking purely rationally when we invaded Iraq in 2003? Did he think about how it would really play out or was he just arrogant enough to think it'll go great just because?

You're putting way too much faith in world leaders not to fuck everything up.

Also, the Axis was an agreement between regional powers for regional hegemony. They may have had global ambitions, but those were still not entirely realistic and the scenario was reversed. They had more reason to trust each other and fight the hegemons than they did to fight/distrust the other members of the Axis.

Sure, I'm imaging decades after the end of WW2 though, it is possible that eventually they would have brushed up against each other more and more as they tried to take over more and more of the world (which I absolutely think they would have done had they won WW2)

Finally, the much more atteactive route to their current aims is grey warfare. Think little green men and martial harassment in the air and in the cyberspace. Both of these countries know that any other war against the current hegemons means annihilation, so why not take the low-risk, realistic approach to accomplishing their aims themselves?

Sure, they use those tactics and have for years, but will things be taken to the next level? Their actions have already implied they probably will if you ask me.

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

They do hate it enough though, they want the US hegemony gone more than you realize, they absolutely want this and would be willing to fight a large scale war to get it.

America is weak as hell at the moment, you think they're looking at our "diversified" military and our endless riots that we just let happen and are not laughing at us? America's about to collapse on it's own, so why not go ahead and give it that extra push?

They think they can take us, doesn't mean it's not going to blow up in their faces though (literally!)


You're assuming these power hungry leaders are thinking rationally and not letting their lust for power blind them to reality, was Hitler rational? He kept ignoring advice from his military advisors at the cost of German victory.

Guys like Hitler, Putin and Xi Jinping are sociopathic, narcissistic and egotistical, they think their country will win because hey, they're running it, any question that they wouldn't win would bruise their egos and these guys have egos the size of Texas.

So don't assume every decision Russia or China makes is going to be purely rational, was Dubya thinking purely rationally when we invaded Iraq in 2003? Did he think about how it would really play out or was he just arrogant enough to think it'll go great just because?

You're putting way too much faith in world leaders not to fuck everything up.


Sure, I'm imaging decades after the end of WW2 though, it is possible that eventually they would have brushed up against each other more and more as they tried to take over more and more of the world (which I absolutely think they would have done had they won WW2)


Sure, they use those tactics and have for years, but will things be taken to the next level? Their actions have already implied they probably will if you ask me.

TL;DR but I really stopped reading when you underestimated the political acumen of Putin and Xi. Yes their objective is power. Not sharing power and certainly not allowing US power to dominate. But they're far from stupid enough to trust each other for back-up and they are far FAR from stupid enough to enter a war that would shred the economic foundations of the power they currently have. These are political actors that built their careers on understanding what is and is not a good idea and acting accordingly and both do, in fact, know very damn well that a hot war would be a catastrophically retarded endeavour. Such political actors are not cartoonish supervillains out to bring about the apocalypse wantonly.

 

[Dom Cruise]

TL;DR but I really stopped reading when you underestimated the political acumen of Putin and Xi. Yes their objective is power. Not sharing power and certainly not allowing US power to dominate. But they're far from stupid enough to trust each other for back-up and they are far FAR from stupid enough to enter a war that would shred the economic foundations of the power they currently have. These are political actors that built their careers on understanding what is and is not a good idea and acting accordingly and both do, in fact, know very damn well that a hot war would be a catastrophically retarded endeavour. Such political actors are not cartoonish supervillains out to bring about the apocalypse wantonly.

You're taking a way more optimistic view of these guys than I do.

They're not cartoonish supervillains but they are egotistical enough to stick their hand in the cookie jar even when they know they're probably going to get slapped, if they weren't, they never would have gotten to these positions in the first place, egotism is a huge factor in drives a a man to become a world leader in the first place.

It applies to leaders in the business world as well as politics, powerful people want and get power thanks to a certain level of egotism that's going to ensure not every choice they make is going to be rational and what's best for anyone but themselves.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

They're not cartoonish supervillains

You're quite literally treating them as if they're Saturday morning cartoon villains. Having reasons you may not understand doesn't make actions irrational or "egotistical", you're just not very well informed to put it lightly.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

This is the most accurate map, anything else is nonsense. Dark colours are definite players that will be in the war. lights are leaning, they will join if certain conditions occur. purples are toss ups, if certain conditions apply they could join either side.

 

[Dom Cruise]

It's funny how people act like another world war is impossible when it's literally happened 2 times before.

Why would it be impossible? Hell, my question is is why would it not eventually happen? Show me in human history where we don't just keep on fighting progressively bigger and bigger wars with deadlier and deadlier weaponry and convince me it's not going to keep happening when it's literally been constantly happening throughout human history.

To be fair, maybe it won't be a war between the US, Russia and China, but if you've think we've seen the end of large scale wars oh baby are you naïve.

I do think it's possible the next global war could be better described as a global civil war, ie every nation fracturing into splinter groups than wars between current existing nations, but if you don't think someday in human history a war that tops WW2 in scale isn't going to happen then like I said, you are incredibly optimistic and naïve, look around at the state of modern America alone and tell me the good old fashioned desire for violence isn't as strong as ever, look at people's attitudes today and tell me this shit isn't going to get violent (or more violent at least)

I mean hell, even in Star Trek WW3 still happened (though it finally convinced us to stop fighting wars among ourselves)

I get this shit is depressing and frightening, but it's true.

 

[Justtocheck]

It's funny how people act like another world war is impossible when it's literally happened 2 times before.

Why would it be impossible? Hell, my question is is why would it not eventually happen? Show me in human history where we don't just keep on fighting progressively bigger and bigger wars with deadlier and deadlier weaponry and convince me it's not going to keep happening when it's literally been constantly happening throughout human history.

To be fair, maybe it won't be a war between the US, Russia and China, but if you've think we've seen the end of large scale wars oh baby are you naïve.

The reason there won't be a WW3 is because the pent up eneregy that comes from sexual frustration that has historically driven men to war is more correctly spent on the internet hating ewhores in OnlyFans and clapping to Vtubers. Not that many people today have the incel range necesary to fight in a war. (or fitness, but I shouldn't remind y'all fatasses of that)

 

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The reason there won't be a WW3 is because the pent up eneregy that comes from sexual frustration that has historically driven men to war is more correctly spent on the internet hating ewhores in OnlyFans and clapping to Vtubers. Not that many people today have the incel range necesary to fight in a war. (or fitness, but I shouldn't remind y'all fatasses of that)

Are you aware of what China's demographic pyramid looks like?

 

[Justtocheck]

Are you aware of what China's demographic pyramid looks like?

Are you aware of the amount of chiniese power that is wasted into hating Coco from Hololive?