Xev Bellringer and the worlds addiction to more and more extreme Porn - "Xev Bellringer", a case study in degeneracy in progress

Syaoran Li

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An excellent start would be treating the production of professional pornography as prostitution. It is prostitution, not art. The fact that Conservative legislators never challenge this shows how much of a lost cause Conservative Inc is. They are too incompetent, or purposely malicious, to make the legal connection between "having sex for money on camera" and "having sex for money".

The reason we prosecute and suppress prostitution is clear and reasonable. Your body is not your own choice when other people have to pay the long term consequences of your own actions on a societal and personal level. The pursuit of happiness does not entail you to mindless hedonism, and that was not the intent of the Founding Fathers.

Like someone else mentioned upthread, prostitution is still illegal because of taxation purposes and even in Nevada, only licensed brothels are allowed. Pornography is easier to tax and regulate, at least in theory.

As for banning it and revoking First Amendment protections, that ends up with a whole slew of problems since the fine line between pornography and art is pretty much "I know it when I see it" in many cases. At that point, you could have some conservative traditionalist faggots arresting people for having Henry Miller novels or nude paintings.

Plus, the long neglected genre of softcore porn still exists where sex is simulated or it's solo nudity. If they're not actually having sex on camera, then how can you prosecute it as prostitution?
 

Syaoran Li

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If you have sex on camera, then you are punished. Simple as that.

OK (((Traditionalist)))

Thankfully, the First Amendment still protects it because everyone and their mother knows it'll open the legal equivalent of Pandora's Box and "hurr durr what are we conserving?" wannabe puritans like you don't run the country.

The effects of children being exposed to porn is not worth the benefit of a few roads. Better to ban it all than live with the consequences

I'm against children being exposed to porn as well, but adults who want to occasionally enjoy it shouldn't be punished because the average parent these days can't be bothered to do their goddamn jobs and keep porn away from their kids and educate them as best they can instead of letting the screen do their job for them.
 

glow

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The effects of children being exposed to porn is not worth the benefit of a few roads. Better to ban it all than live with the consequences
You won't ban it though, you'll just drive it underground, and by underground I mean the dark web and there'll be nothing from stopping people from stumbling onto the seriously heinous stuff.

Also, now police need to enforce this new law, so instead of making more tax revenue and not paying cops, you're now paying cops more and not getting that tax revenue.

If I could stop people from drinking alcohol I would, even though I actually like to drink it myself. It would be a net good for the world, an improvement in productivity and peoples' health. But we did try that a few times and it didn't work. It won't work because people want it and will find a way to get it and will even make it themselves, sometimes with disasterous consequences. Might as well have it somewhere where it can be quality controlled and taxed so nobody buys bootleg vodka (well this does actually happen still but it's rarer because most people aren't willing to risk going blind)

I agree with your idealism. I would destroy pornography too if I could. But the world is imperfect so you've got to find a lateral move which strikes a balance between the negative and the positive.
 

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You won't ban it though, you'll just drive it underground, and by underground I mean the dark web and there'll be nothing from stopping people from stumbling onto the seriously heinous stuff.

Also, now police need to enforce this new law, so instead of making more tax revenue and not paying cops, you're now paying cops more and not getting that tax revenue.

If I could stop people from drinking alcohol I would, even though I actually like to drink it myself. It would be a net good for the world, an improvement in productivity and peoples' health. But we did try that a few times and it didn't work. It won't work because people want it and will find a way to get it and will even make it themselves, sometimes with disasterous consequences. Might as well have it somewhere where it can be quality controlled and taxed so nobody buys bootleg vodka (well this does actually happen still but it's rarer because most people aren't willing to risk going blind)

I agree with your idealism. I would destroy pornography too if I could. But the world is imperfect so you've got to find a lateral move which strikes a balance between the negative and the positive.
Im sure there would be a black market, but it cant be worse than there being PornHub ads in Time Square, pornstar interviews on YouTube, terms like "sex worker" being coming mainstream, and OnlyFans
 

glow

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Im sure there would be a black market, but it cant be worse than there being PornHub ads in Time Square, pornstar interviews on YouTube, terms like "sex worker" being coming mainstream, and OnlyFans
It can definitely get worse if you get your way:
  • Organised crime becomes involved in the production of pornography
  • Crimes committed on porn sets are not reported
  • You find cheeze pizza in the same place you find your degenerate japanese bondage porn
  • People are criminalised for making videos of their own private sexual exploits
Not to say all the above doesn't all happen to an extent but it'll happen a lot more.
 

Distant Stare

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It can definitely get worse if you get your way:
  • Organised crime becomes involved in the production of pornography
  • Crimes committed on porn sets are not reported
  • You find cheeze pizza in the same place you find your degenerate japanese bondage porn
  • People are criminalised for making videos of their own private sexual exploits
Not to say all the above doesn't all happen to an extent but it'll happen a lot more.
If it is on video than it is not public. Recording yourself jerking off to MLP plushies is not a right. If someone is on a site and is viewing CP, they should be punished. I dont have sympathy. As for crimes commit on porn sets, it is the same for crimes committed against prostitutes: I do not care. It is like a drug addict dying from an overdose. You get what you deserve.
 

Syaoran Li

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If it is on video than it is not public. Recording yourself jerking off to MLP plushies is not a right. If someone is on a site and is viewing CP, they should be punished. I dont have sympathy. As for crimes commit on porn sets, it is the same for crimes committed against prostitutes: I do not care. It is like a drug addict dying from an overdose. You get what you deserve.

Careful with that edge, Jethro....

We already punish those who view CP and rightfully so, it's one of the few things everyone can agree should remain highly illegal.

The rest of your post is like the unholy child of Cotton Mather and the Coldsteel the Hedgehog meme.
 

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Careful with that edge, Jethro....

We already punish those who view CP and rightfully so, it's one of the few things everyone can agree should remain highly illegal.

The rest of your post is like the unholy child of Cotton Mather and the Coldsteel the Hedgehog meme.

Justice is to give people what they deserve. The consequences of poor behavior is poor life outcomes. Society should not struggle to protect people from the consequences of their own bad decisions. This is why we should not protect prostitutes, pornographers, human traffickers, and drug addicts.

However the reason we should prevent prostitution and pornography is because it is too easily used and has reproductive consequences. Its affects rot a society over time. Its consequences are difficult to immediately spot. the average human is too stupid and self indulgent to moderate themselves in sexual matters.

Humans are unique in the animal kingdom because we are constantly in search of sex. Other animals restrict mating to specific season. Humans on the other hand have such powerful sex drives that we had to develop society behaviors to manage it. We had to invent clothing to reduce arousal for instance, by hiding are genitals. We invented strict mating rituals (marriage for instance) and taboos.

Because of the power of human sexual instinct, destructive industries that grow out of it must be suppressed. If not, the degeneracy we see now is the result. You either repress degeneracy, or you become a goon posting dick pics next to your multi-monitor NIGGER porn viewing apparatus.

Drugs are far less dangerous in comparison. There is no 24/7 instinct to seek out heroin. No one has a natural craving for meth like they do food or sex.
 

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Trying to ban porn would be doomed to fail, for the exact same reason that prohibition of alcohol failed- It's virtually impossible to police a "crime" with no victims, that happens behind closed doors, where all parties involved are willing participants. All you'd end up doing is expanding gov't powers, and justifying police invasion of normal people's daily life. And today, given the nature of porn, that would also mean more gov't restriction of the internet, and more gov't power to snoop through private online communication; Calling for porn to be illegal, is literally demanding that the gov't have more power to go through your emails, phone records, ISP records, etc.

And banning porn would be 100x more impractical than prohibition of booze was in the 1920s, because making hooch at least required buying raw materials that could potentially be tracked, building a big, stinky, incriminating still that you had to hide, physically storing and transporting bottles of booze. But todays tech means that anyone with a phone and an internet connection can produce, or consume porn. Literally every adult has both those things. And it's not that hard to practice the basic security measures to ensure that your porn production/consumption is essentially untracable. Or, are we going to ban VPNs, Tor, and encryption software, too?

Back in the pre-internet era, when making porn required photos/film that needed to be developed, and you needed a physical distribution network, prohibition of porn was able to have able to have SOME impact (although even back then, it's pretty arguable whether you could call porn prohibition "effective", or not. The technological limits of the era did more to curtail porn in the mid-20th century, than illegality did), but today having ANY real impact on porn would be essentially impossible, even WITH some insanely invasive police force- And all to enforce a "crime" where there's no victim, and all participants are voluntary.

Police already can't even effectively enforce CP laws. But, you want to divert funding and resources away from CP/pedos, to try to arrest 30yo soccer-moms for doing tits-out role-plays about chicken tendies, and the >80% of adults who choose to watch porn?!? All for the purpose of protecting that >80% of adults, from themselves?

Even if we just accept the idea that porn IS harmful to viewers (which is questionable, but lets go with it)- So what? Alcohol is harmful, tobacco is harmful, any food worth eating is harmful. Guns, cars, skateboards, sky-diving and crossing the street, all cause harm (significantly more harm than porn; no-one ever died from watching some sloot get bukkake'd) every single day- You want to ban all that stuff, too?

Adults are responsible for their own actions; If they want to risk harm to themselves, why do you get to stop them? You aren't special; If YOU get to impose your personal opinions about whats "too harmful" to be permitted, everyone else can, too. The inevitable end of your nanny-state logic is that everything from video games, to coffee, to every food that isn't tofu, all get criminalized for being "harmful". We'd all be living in some kind of bland, wrongthink-free, cottonwool-clad Disneyland-police-state.
 

glow

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Because of the power of human sexual instinct, destructive industries that grow out of it must be suppressed. If not, the degeneracy we see now is the result. You either repress degeneracy, or you become a goon posting dick pics next to your multi-monitor NIGGER porn viewing apparatus.
Or you just become some guy that watches porn every few weeks.

Similar to alcohol: some people get addicted, but most who consume it will have a few beers every other week.

We can agree that these are vices. We can agree that it would be ideal to not do it at all.

However you present a false choice: being perfectly virtuous or being an absolute gooning degenerate. Most people are in the upper middle quartile of that.

Drugs are far less dangerous in comparison. There is no 24/7 instinct to seek out heroin. No one has a natural craving for meth like they do food or sex.
You definitely do get these cravings upon addiction and this is why these drugs are rightly illegal. These addictions are very hard to shake once they set in. You cannot recreationally consume heroin for a few weeks and then suddenly stop for six months. You can certainly do this with cannabis, pornography, alcohol or other types of vices.
 

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Let's talk basic fucking chemistry. You mention drugs. Let's do drugs. Methamphetamine is what is referred to as a dopamine "agonist." What that means is that your brain cannot tell the difference between actual dopamine and meth, so your brain metabolizes meth as dopamine. That's what gives you a high. The reason you can't ever reach the peak of that first high, and the reason you use progressively larger doses to achieve the same effect, is because your brain goes "oh holy mother of fuck, too much dopamine" and as a defense mechanism, it turns off dopamine receptors, permanently. It does this because your brain does not want to be high, it doesn't like it. The more meth you do the more receptors get shut off. Now, you are using meth to have the same amount of dopamine being taken up as a normal person, but you still have a glut of free floating meth, which is how the high feels like shit but you also are twitchy and hallucinate. The longer you use meth the worse the highs get. This is basically every drug. Opiates do the same thing with endorphins, ecstasy does the same thing with serotonin. What's amazing about X is that it can give you fucking depression and ED. Serotonin controls sex drive, appetite, and mood. So you lose enough serotonin receptors and your dick doesn't work, you have no appetite, and you have depression.
wouldn't it be funny if this whole entire paragraph you wrote was literally wrong? First off, your brain does not metabolize meth as dopamine. I don't know where you got that from, but it's very very wrong to the extent that it hurts me a little. Meth releases dopamine in the brain and blocks the dopamine transporters so that it creates a prolonged high. Secondly, the brain does want to have all that dopamine, if it didn't then addiction wouldn't exist. Your brain gets addicted to being high on dopamine.

There's absolutely no science to show the same thing happens with masturbation. Yes hormones and chemicals are released, natural ones, at natural levels, that your body can naturally deal with. The levels of endorphins you flood your body with by jerking it are at impossibly small levels compared to taking a hit of fucking fentanyl or oxycodone.
saying that something has no science to back it up is like saying that God doesn't back it up. The reality about modern science is that it's basically all useless. There is a replication crisis because scientists are just producing bullshit studies all the time. If I really wanted to I could bring up 15 studies that say I'm right and you're wrong, and you could also do the same because labcoats are shit at doing their job.
And you're not even addressing the point being brought up by the OP, that being that we get used to things. I don't need a study to show you that people were amazed by the first cars, by the first movies etc. But after a while you get used to the wild and wonderful CGI being made by disney; It just doesn't have the same effect. This is the same thing with porn. You watch new and novel porn and it gets you off, but after a while you become bored with it so you search for more depraved stuff.

See, so you really need to fucking do some research before you spout off about this kind of stuff. There is a well documented, well understood, well researched, physiological reason that people develop resistances to drugs.
I don't need your science to observe the natural laws of nature in action.
There's none of that for fucking masturbation. The actual studies are completely inconclusive and people agree that the effects of porn on individuals are psychological and determined by the individual themselves. This is directly contrasted with known physical methods of action and physiological responses that are universal throughout humanity in regards to drugs.
Yeah, there's none except for all the signs of it. We can observe people that get addicted to masturbation. Their actual physiognomy changes. People can, more accurately than not, tell who masturbates and who doesn't in the same way we can tell who does meth. Coomers say that they can't control their cravings and must masturbate. Chronic coomers also have decreased socialization which is a big sign of addiction.

Basically, you're wrong. Go be a boomer somewhere else.
very ironic considering that boomers are the ones who started the sexual revolution
 

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Plus, the long neglected genre of softcore porn still exists where sex is simulated or it's solo nudity. If they're not actually having sex on camera, then how can you prosecute it as prostitution?
The wonderful thing about fascism is that you don't have to give a shit about pilpul loophole arguments like this. You don't need some well thought out phrasing to give the exact terms that must be violated in order to be punished. You just give people what they fucking deserve, and no one can argue you out of it. A fascist has no obligation to be reasonable.

Also lol at people pretending banning porn would be impossible when it was successfully banned in almost every society for most of human history.
 

Syaoran Li

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The wonderful thing about fascism is that you don't have to give a shit about pilpul loophole arguments like this. You don't need some well thought out phrasing to give the exact terms that must be violated in order to be punished. You just give people what they fucking deserve, and no one can argue you out of it. A fascist has no obligation to be reasonable.

Also lol at people pretending banning porn would be impossible when it was successfully banned in almost every society for most of human history.

Even when porn was banned, people were still making it. Also, the internet did not exist for most of human history as well.

Tons of erotic and pornographic drawings, paintings, writings, and sculptures from ancient times and even into the Middle Ages and Renaissance, and this applied to both the ancient pagan societies and the more austere Christian and Muslim societies as well.

Machiavelli wrote erotic and pornographic short stories and bawdy comedic poems for years before he wrote The Prince

Fanny Hill was written in 1748 and De Sade wrote his infamous and often truly degenerate works during the late 1700's.

Erotic poetry and stories were surprisingly popular among Chinese nobility during the Ming Dynasty

From the 1920's to the early 1960's, "stag films" were being made and sold on the black market
 

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The solution to this is stricter societal norms. Good luck on that when divisiveness is higher than ever. We should just divide into smaller states again.

On the other hand, I do believe that fetishes do get more and more degenerate with time, but it's not a tolerance thing as much as just finding out what turns you on with time.
 

Syaoran Li

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On the other hand, I do believe that fetishes do get more and more degenerate with time, but it's not a tolerance thing as much as just finding out what turns you on with time.

I have a counter-argument to that one

I think the more socially conservative and repressed a society is, the more degenerate their porn is and the more rampant the fetishism is within it.

Victorian Britain, 1950's America, and modern-day Japan are all prime examples of this phenomenon.

The Victorians were infamously sexual prudes but print pornography in the form of penny dreadful books and pornographic postcards and drawings were fucked up even by today's standards and often had themes of Satanism, blasphemy and sacrilege, rape, and sadism.

1950's America has this idyllic squeaky clean reputation but there was a thriving and massive black market of pornographic comic books and 8mm stag films. The creator of Wonder Woman wrote extreme BDSM and guro horror comics back in the 1950's, the infamous "Nights of Horror" being one of the tamer and more well-known examples

Japan is extremely sexually repressed in real life to the point that it is normal for both men and women to not lose their virginity until they're in their early-to-mid twenties. Which is why prostitution and fucked up pornography has become so rampant there since the 80's
 
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