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Smaug's Smokey Hole

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The people running the Hugo's do know that if they nominate a comic book that isn't selling and rated as mediocre by reviewers and fans alike will just make their awards look even worse right?
I hope she keeps getting nominated for everything she does, at some point that's going to start to sting.
"My very personal cyberpunk girl-power comic was nominated for an award. It lost to a Transformers comic that no one likes. The year before that my autobiography got nominated. In the sci-fi category. I lost to a dead woman that year. My narrative design for this game have been nominated for best fanzine though I will likely lose to a wikia about One Piece or something." :disgruntledlesbian:
 

Tanner Glass

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Im a newbie at DnD but isn't the entire premise that there no fleshed story?
Yes, but also No.

DnD (at it's heart) is just a set of rules, but even those can be changed. You (as a DM) are free to make as much or as little lore for your world as you want and incorporate it how you see fit. You can write "Game of Thrones" levels of layered lore or just literally make it up as you go along, to each their own.

What most people do though, is use the lore given in the DnD guidebooks, which gives DnD a very strong (but technically unofficial) canon. It's a very basic "medieval fantasy" (Humans, Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, in a world where Magic exists). There are also a number of alternate books with different settings that are also popular (like Forgotten Realms or Dark Sun) and other games that are similar but with a different setting (Shadowrun).

Tournament/Standard DnD is restricted to the official DnD books, which means all of your characters, races, modules, and adventures all happen (in those formats) inside of the approved DnD canon/lore.

TL;DR
Playing DnD in your friends house means you can play start as a level 1 - Human - SS Shower Operator who is trying to answer the Jewish Question during real-life 1943. If you play DnD in a store or any kind of tournament format (at a con, or a library, etc) you will instead forced to be a level 1 Human Fighter who is going with 3-4 other people to clear out an evil necromancer's cave for a lord/lady/King/whatever.
 

Anonymus Fluhre

No man fears what he has seen grow
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You give the bitch too much credit.

Most likely she told Robbie (the artists) a barebones plot for what she wanted her comic to be about. And Robbie swore up and down he'd do the actual writing for the series and basically do all of Zoe's work for her, while letting her get all of the credit. Zoe herself doesn't care, because Robbie's an anti-life entity who won't snitch on her.
Zoe doesn't have the name recognition to do her own comic. I'm guessing DC Comics had the idea for the comic and then Zoe came around to "flesh out" the story. Even CM Punk had little say in the work he did with Marvel, it's why they gave him Drax. She's lucky that she's not a co-writer.
 

ColorfulCassowary

Jonkers
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You give the bitch too much credit.

Most likely she told Robbie (the artists) a barebones plot for what she wanted her comic to be about. And Robbie swore up and down he'd do the actual writing for the series and basically do all of Zoe's work for her, while letting her get all of the credit. Zoe herself doesn't care, because Robbie's an anti-life entity who won't snitch on her.
I can see that happening. Has butthole boy wrote anything beforehand, or is he just an artist?
 

Smaug's Smokey Hole

the black goat of yule
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I can see that happening. Has butthole boy wrote anything beforehand, or is he just an artist?
I jokingly posted about Quinn using the Marvel method last year.
In a plot script the artist works from a story synopsis from the writer (or plotter), rather than a full script. The artist creates page-by-page plot details on his or her own, after which the work is returned to the writer for the insertion of dialogue. Due to its widespread use at Marvel Comics beginning in the 1960s, primarily under writer-editor Stan Lee and artists Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, this approach became commonly known as the Marvel method or Marvel house style.
The dialogue is definitely hers. It's not impossible that the script is basically "scene: in the cryogenics warehouse, she looks at stuff, soldiers come in, end scene. Dialogue: wordswordswordswordswords x 1000", repeat. From that the greasy artist figures out the panels, angles and flow, then the letterer squeezes in all the words. There's a lot of words. The first page of the first issue was overflowing with them and it wasn't like they could be broken up and spread over more panels/pages without bumping the 888 in those pages over to the next, which bumps the words on that page over to the next and so on. The art on the last page would have the words that should have been on page 14, it would be like when the audio drifts out of sync in a movie.
 

The Shadow

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What do you mean? James Jacobs of Paizo has been changing a lot of "uncomfortable" lore for awhile now, even blaming a former writer for the "misogyny" despite personally okaying it. The people that run Roll20 are SJWs. I think DnD even introduced genderfluid elves or something along those lines. They don't have to run magazines and shit, they already run the asylum. The only saving grace is that any DM worth their salt can go "lol no" and do their own thing.
The tabletop industry seemed to get in bed with the SJWs fast. It was fast enough that I think not many people noticed until after it was entrenched, but you don't have to dig very deep to find it permeating the industry.
 

Rekkington

Obama chuckled. "You mean the chaos emeralds?"
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I think I asked this a while back but "narrative design" is just a self-indulgent way of saying writer, right?
I wouldn't be surprised if little writing was involved. Writing is pretty hard and I bet her thing goes as far as "ideation." The basic building blocks of plot, for example, or "we should have a scene where this happens." Then someone does the hard stuff like dialogue and making compelling characters.
 
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Judge Dredd

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Didn't they already do that with sad puppies? And the people involved basically said it was just a troll brigade, and gave secret awards out to the ones they think deserved it?
The Hugos died when Sad Puppies was successful at getting decent people on the ballet only for the final judges to give "No Award" to every category the SJWs didn't control. The VGAs have more prestige than the Hugos now.

The tabletop industry seemed to get in bed with the SJWs fast. It was fast enough that I think not many people noticed until after it was entrenched, but you don't have to dig very deep to find it permeating the industry.
Yes, but no, but maybe.

On the one hand, there's no shortage of SJW infestation, but on the other hand it's mostly limited to games no one gives a shit about and Wizards of the Coast.

The trouble with SJWs in tabletop is they might succeed at getting the websites or game companies to bend the knee, but ultimately playing the game requires getting real people in a room and sitting around the table. They will be told to fuck off or simply not invited back.
 

Goodbye Horses

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard.
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The tabletop industry seemed to get in bed with the SJWs fast. It was fast enough that I think not many people noticed until after it was entrenched, but you don't have to dig very deep to find it permeating the industry.
Not really, as White Wolf was patient zero of that particular poz infection and it started decades ago.
 
The trouble with SJWs in tabletop is they might succeed at getting the websites or game companies to bend the knee, but ultimately playing the game requires getting real people in a room and sitting around the table. They will be told to fuck off or simply not invited back.
You're right SJWs are just a small vocal minority, once their actions start affecting the bottom line of these companies one of two things will happen.
Either the companies pivot back to accommodating their actual customers who buy and promote their products.
Or their sales fall, profits disappear and someone else comes along to take their place.

These companies (assuming they are managed in a professional manner) are only chasing what they think the 'youth' want and have been mislead into thinking that is wokeness.
That'll change.
 

Mellorine

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The Hugos died when Sad Puppies was successful at getting decent people on the ballet only for the final judges to give "No Award" to every category the SJWs didn't control.
The Hugos don't have judges, much less final ones. They're purely a write-in popularity contest accessible to anyone who wants to pay the $50 to be a supporting member of the World Science Fiction Society. That's why the "all awards for NK Jemisin forever" crowd lost their shit at the idea of other people merely getting organized to vote for people they didn't like and counter-organized to vote "No Award" in the categories where nobody meeting their approval made it onto the ballot. But it's also kind of bullshit to pretend the Puppies were solely interested in getting good ol' fashioned adventure scifi (as opposed to message scifi) into the awards when they're the ones who nominated Chuck Tingle onto the slate, while anyone familiar with Chuck's grift would have known he was a liberal and likely to pull something tediously "zany" to spite them.
 
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UnclePhil

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It looks like they're going for Ori but with some genderqueer special as the main character. Basically the kind of character design that would make Anita wet because it has a big sword and no discernible sex.

Just another example of how these people can't look past their own naraccism to make a good product, or at least sell beyond a pittance. But that's okay because they can bully AAA studios into doing that work for them.
 
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Judge Dredd

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The Hugos don't have judges, much less final ones. They're purely a write-in popularity contest accessible to anyone who wants to pay the $50 to be a supporting member of the World Science Fiction Society. That's why the "all awards for NK Jemisin forever" crowd lost their shit at the idea of other people merely getting organized to vote for people they didn't like and counter-organized to vote "No Award" in the categories where nobody meeting their approval made it onto the ballot. But it's also kind of bullshit to pretend the Puppies were solely interested in getting good ol' fashioned adventure scifi (as opposed to message scifi) into the awards when they're the ones who nominated Chuck Tingle onto the slate, while anyone familiar with Chuck's grift would have known he was a liberal and likely to pull something tediously "zany" to spite them.
I thought it was only write in votes for the nominees with judges picked the winners from those lists. When no woke books made the cut for a given slate they voted "no award" to spite them.
 
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Mellorine

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I thought it was only write in votes for the nominees with judges picked the winners from those lists. When no woke books made the cut for a given slate they voted "no award" to spite them.
The essential premise of the Hugos is that the awards are voted for by attendees of WorldCon/members of the WSFS, as they have been since their inception in the 1950s. Though people don't actually have to attend the convention to vote; one can purchase a supporter membership instead that includes the right to cast a ballot, but they've always been by-the-fans awards deliberately kept free of eligibility qualifications or formal judging. Hence there being so many categories for fan works. "No Award" has long been an option; it occasionally topped the votes for the "Dramatic Presentation" category in the '60s and '70s.

That's why the whole Progressives vs Puppies thing was hilarious: much like the old saw about the fights in academia being so bitter and bloodthirsty because the stakes are so small, people on all sides were losing their shit about what amounted to "Well I'm gonna get all my friends to come and vote for the guy I like to win Battle of the Bands!! That'll show the world who's really the best!!" One clique got annoyed that another clique had managed to consistently take the awards for awhile and set off a firestorm by trying to encourage strategic voting within their own fandoms.

Edit: Nominations are over for this year, but there might still time to buy a membership and participate in the final vote if that's something you're into: http://www.thehugoawards.org/i-want-to-vote/
 
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Kosher Dill

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The Hugos don't have judges, much less final ones. They're purely a write-in popularity contest accessible to anyone who wants to pay the $50 to be a supporting member of the World Science Fiction Society.
Right. If anything, the various "Puppies" movements proved the opposite of what they ostensibly set out to - there's no cabal of "SJW gatekeepers" holding down quality works that the community really wants. The entire community is just cancerous through and through, and the Hugos are a democratic expression of their preferences.
 

UndercoverRapist

Tonight, you.
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So she just stole all the money and has waltzed off with it, fuck you.
At this point her track record on these things has become so abundantly clear that you're more an idiot for giving her money than she is an asshole for stealing it.

I don't get mad at a Lion for killing a gazelle and I don't get mad at a professional scam artist parting morons with their shekels.
 

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