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Ghostse

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Yes and no. He no longer uses a standard set of stock figures, so points for actually drawing each panel now. But it turns out that he never bothered to actually improve; his stock figures only looked good because he could afford to actually take his time making them, then make up for that extra time by making pages extra quick.

What are you talking about? All his female characters are still stock. You can chart their progress from normal hairstyles to hipster-dyke that would to make an actually butch lesbian tell her to tone it down a notch.

Slightly off-topic, but making a page a day is actually a pretty demanding schedule. There's a reason why old newspaper comics stuck to just three panel joke strips, and it's the same reason why professional comics require a team of people to make a ~20-page issue each month. In Jeph's case, he could manage a page a day because assembling what is effectively your own digital paper dolls is pretty easy. Now that he's dropped that method, he's stuck with an upload schedule he started years ago, and so has to sacrifice what little quality he might actually have managed.

Or the stupid nigger can't draw. One or the other.

Tim Buckley used to do the same for CAD, and also had a daily upload schedule. The differences there are Timbo never properly learned how to draw before he moved to digital paper dolls, he did actually stop and while he is not winning any awards, his current drawings are atleast competent.

Also while Tim Buckley was a giant oozing asshole, he managed to mature. And also never let himself get bullied so hard he had to stab himself in the hand. LOL.
Literally worse then Tim Buckley.

Also, just a sperg, the new papers stuck to 3-panel jokes because that's what the newpapers would print. The old comics of the first part of the1900s also ran daily with intricate panels (and tinyass words, get magnifying glass kids). OG Phantom and Prince Valiant were sick.
 

Gingervitis

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I've known a couple people who said nuns would hit their knuckles with a ruler when they tried to write with their left hand, but they were really old. This isn't a thing anyone still alive is likely to have experienced. There was some weird Catholic bullshit about it supposedly being your evil hand.
It’s not just Catholics. Ben Franklin was a Protestant (not a Quaker, like everyone believes), and he was beaten for using his left hand as well.
 

RazorBackBacon

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What are you talking about? All his female characters are still stock. You can chart their progress from normal hairstyles to hipster-dyke that would to make an actually butch lesbian tell her to tone it down a notch.
"Stock" as in he has the prefab figures a la Timbo.
OG Phantom and Prince Valiant were sick.
Those guys had assistants. Even if it's just someone to set the type and apply flat colors, it speeds things up.
 

Ghostse

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Those guys had assistants. Even if it's just someone to set the type and apply flat colors, it speeds things up.

Most of the modern 3-panel comics have teams and are not one-man operations. The move to 3-panel gags and a quarterpage on sunday was newspapers cutting costs and had nothing to do with creators burning out. Also both Cocaine and Narcotics were available over the counter during Little Nemo's run, and I'll let you draw your own conclusions about that and artistic output.

also even the OG full-page valiant sundays used a lot of Ol' Timey photoshop tricks.

"Stock" as in he has the prefab figures a la Timbo.

And if you'd have just lifted up your hand a little bit, you'd have caught it...
 

Ice Mountain

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Teahouse had a good start and the great art had me under its spell, but once that wears off, you realize the flaws. Like how unlikable some of the characters are. The Bad Webcomic Wiki explains it quite well.
Hey, I remember this! I didn't think it was too bad at first either, but man did it ever get stupid. I still see true & honest fanart for it floating around sometimes; people tend to drop their standards as long as something has yaoi in it.
 

Yaoi Huntress Earth

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Hey, I remember this! I didn't think it was too bad at first either, but man did it ever get stupid. I still see true & honest fanart for it floating around sometimes; people tend to drop their standards as long as something has yaoi in it.
I think one mistake was making Linneus and Atros an endgame relationship given how dysfunctional it is (I liked Linneus more with Gilder anyway). Then again, a lot of the relationships are a mess. It's too bad since the art is really nice.
 

Rogue Boob

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...I think replacing the artist with Thunt would be a definite improvement over Last Res0rt
Speaking of Last Res0rt, it didn't survive the BWCW transition. But it does, for some really inexplicable reason, have a TVTropes entry. The art has not gotten much better since the above example from 2012, aside from more snazzy shoop effects I guess?

I tried to like it when it first got started, but pretty much everything about it just bothers me. The weird sludgy facial structures, the random 0 in the title, the clunky plotlines. The artist tries, at least. She even made an appearance on the old BWCW forum to offer help to new readers trying to break into the comic, which is more than can be said for most badcomic creators.

Then a few years ago she moved to the PNW and has gone highly political and become a fairly middle of the road genderblob. I have no idea how she interacts with her fans these days, but to her credit, the comic is still plugging along, at least as of December 2020.
 

DoubleD

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Greg's transitioning to become the physical embodiment of his id, yet somehow the comics are too boring and packed with mundane details to even sustain my interest in a topic like that.

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Ghostse

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Greg's transitioning to become the physical embodiment of his id, yet somehow the comics are too boring and packed with mundane details to even sustain my interest in a topic like that.


"My body doesn't need a reminder about what its supposed to be doing" FFS. Your body is doing what its supposed to be doing. You are fucking up you body trying to cosplay as a woman you performative circus freak.
 

Captain Hastings Official

"Good Lord..."
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Greg's transitioning to become the physical embodiment of his id, yet somehow the comics are too boring and packed with mundane details to even sustain my interest in a topic like that.


Y'know, in retrospect, the fact that he draws his characters with relatively detailed hairdos and clothing but with exceptionally simple and inexpressive faces - the exact opposite of the way a normal human being splits their attention - should have been a really big clue that Greg was autistic. His "transition," of course, leaves no doubts.
 

BScCollateral

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Y'know, in retrospect, the fact that he draws his characters with relatively detailed hairdos and clothing but with exceptionally simple and inexpressive faces - the exact opposite of the way a normal human being splits their attention - should have been a really big clue that Greg was autistic.

Nah, a lot of cartoon art uses hair to distinguish characters. There's usually the blond one, the brunette one, the one with long hair...

Heck, South Park had a joke about it.
 

DoubleD

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Y'know, in retrospect, the fact that he draws his characters with relatively detailed hairdos and clothing but with exceptionally simple and inexpressive faces - the exact opposite of the way a normal human being splits their attention - should have been a really big clue that Greg was autistic. His "transition," of course, leaves no doubts.

It's not that. It's just that the hair and backgrounds are something he only really needed to draw once. (Well, a few more times during his transition, but we'll get to that.) Each character has but one hair sprite, which he doesn't even change to match the lighting conditions. Notice how the long strand that comes past his ear often hangs a few degrees from the vertical when he tilts his head.

Faces would require a lot more work however. You can of course make the argument that comic readers prefer a more simply drawn face because of the uncanny valley and you think reading Scott McCloud makes you an expert in comics. That may be true some of the time, but Greg's faces are so simple, even by comic book standards. The real reason here is much more obvious: pure laziness.

In order to do the bare minimum to convince people his characters aren't lifeless cardboard cutouts, he realised he at least had to move the faces from one panel to the next. Conveying the subtleties of a facial expression every time he did this makes it even more difficult. But since Greg Dean can't draw (something he realised back in '99 when he started "drawing" people in this exact style, sans the colours and shading), this meant it would be too difficult to do 8 different faces for a single-page conversation between two people.

So he made six small shapes in Adobe Illustrator (ah, who am I kidding? He probably used Inkscape), and has been using the same 3/4 profile face ever since.

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(Notice how the mouth moves subtly between all of these)

Only three of which need to be moved in order to change a facial expression, and sometimes just one. Notice how the eyebrows aren't even there except for in panels where he needs to look puzzled, surprised, or frustrated.

Tim B^Uckley has got nothing on this.

Meanwhile, the hair.

It looks like Greg's been trying to make the change happen gradually, and this was his best attempt.

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"Relatively detailed" is pushing it just a bit.

There are six hair sprites total that he's drawn for the character. And when the time was right, one of them would be swapped out for another.

Usually this would line up with a scene change, which at least implied the passage of time. But for the last one, it looks like he gave up on continuity and made it happen in the middle of a scene where he's trying on dresses with Liz: January 15th's comic, and the next comic after it.

Also, the iPhone prop on his desk hadn't been updated since the iPhone 4. Still there in 2020, but it seems to have been gotten rid of in the most recent desk shots.
 
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Ghostse

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So he made six small shapes in Adobe Illustrator (ah, who am I kidding? He probably used Inkscape), and has been using the same 3/4 profile face ever since.

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(Notice how the mouth moves subtly between all of these)

Only three of which need to be moved in order to change a facial expression, and sometimes just one. Notice how the eyebrows aren't even there except for in panels where he needs to look puzzled, surprised, or frustrated.

Tim B^Uckley has got nothing on this.

The virgin :^V face vs. The Chad B^U face
 

Toast Sandwich

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Also, the iPhone prop on his desk hadn't been updated since the iPhone 4. Still there in 2020, but it seems to have been gotten rid of in the most recent desk shots.
Not really a shock. The guy still has has a share to digg link on every page of the site. Not to mention this still being part of the site design, which is uhh also pretty out of date:
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It's not that. It's just that the hair and backgrounds are something he only really needed to draw once. (Well, a few more times during his transition, but we'll get to that.) Each character has but one hair sprite, which he doesn't even change to match the lighting conditions. Notice how the long strand that comes past his ear often hangs a few degrees from the vertical when he tilts his head.
This is what got me about the Comic Sans thing. If Comic Sans is a spiritual match for anything at all, it's these low-effort clip art collages. The gall of this dope thinking he can make an appeal to professionalism with his steak chef analogy. Let's consider another analogy: What if a professional comic strip artist saw what this guy thinks passes for a comic?

It's hard to judge anybody just for making low effort content, even if it's for decades and even if they make it their career somehow. The judging comes when the guy making low effort content himself gets judgemental about other things being low effort or unprofessional, even in abstract.
 

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