Does anyone know how all these yuppies and fandom tourists got into Doom in the first place? It used to just be autistic baby boomers and some Gen Xers who played it when it came out. Now it's Millennial and Zoomer trannies and shit. I don't get it.
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It's pretty hard to pinpoint exactly when these people arrived, when I first heard of doom it was around the very early 10's. I never saw these retards before and most people who are into doom and I happened to see are metalheads and edgelords so that's why I thought that's what Doom community consists of. But those aren't the people you see on Doomworld so maybe it's a special case.
What I'm certain of is these some of these guys are even there as early as the 2000's but they aren't into this lefty degenerate rhetoric and were on the right side of the political spectrum like Scuba Steve and to lesser extent, Rachel/Eruanna if you go by his trolling days.
Speaking of Rachel, there's a moment of small basedness in this:
By the gods! Rachel being rational? Anyways, this is a really funny situation. The mod lets you have Isabelle as a companion where she'll throw items at the player to help and kill some enemies. If you look around there's an easter egg of Isabelle sucking the player's dick. There's sprites and coding inside the file, but it's not entirely visible to anyone unless you know what to do, that is by summoning some "pickup" item and getting it. Then getting close to Isabelle.
It's an easter egg and anyone who doesn't know how to dissect the files won't see anything, but on the other hand, why put something like that there? Oh, the author is a furry, that's why.
Thread here: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67848
Doom was huge, bro, there had never been a videogame like it by December 10, 1993. The shareware was free, coming with the full first episode, and you were encouraged to share it with anyone and everyone, so on top of really high sales figures, so many people got exposed to Doom because you could get (part of) an incredibly cool and super advanced game for free.
Hell, if you already had a decent enough computer at home, at school, or your workplace, here was a radical game you could try out at no cost. Another big deal was the online multiplayer, which got vastly more accessible with the launch of the DWANGO service (following shortly after Doom 2 and Heretic), letting you play multiplayer with random people in your region. That's not to talk about all the console ports, and all the media controversy over the violence and satanic imagery.
On top of being groundbreaking, it also set in stone many of the important ground principles of first person shooters, for being one of the pioneers, it does its job at an incredible level of competence. The game is still really fun today, and you can see that by shoving the game into the hands of a zoomer today, where they'll actually fucking get it, which isn't something that can be said for many, MANY other old games which are immortal classics in their own right. Then there's the whole part where if you like the game, there's now 28 years of fan made content, some which is incredibly good, better than the original game itself, many times, so if you want more, you'll never run out.
I could keep going with factors like how by the late 90s this was a good game you could run flawlessly on a poverty computer in the third world, and pirating it was trivial, so you see it linger there as well, but from my autistic tl;dr ramblings, you get the picture that this was a great game which was very widely accessible, and which never truly went away.
Thus Doom already has a huge legacy and word of mouth from older generations, then eventually comes Doom 4, in 2016, and this brings in a lot of new attention to classic Doom again. For a long time, the core fanbase which still played it actively had narrowed down some, but part of ZeniMax's marketing was to shine a spotlight on the original games and play a lot on nostalgia (in a pretty shallow way, admittedly), but as they made it even more available with some good ports, that strokes more interest.
I think that a lot of these dicks do have a genuine love for the game, few of them are posers (certainly not the ones who have been regulars on Doomworld since the 90s and 2000s). I'd be very surprised if a faggot like Alison or Rachael didn't actually enjoy playing the game and modding it, because they've been around doing so for a long time.
Rather, these people were always assholes in one way or another, or they were crazy all the time, and as they grew older, and as this stupid cultural war potatoes out of control. they bare their true colors.
Hell, if you already had a decent enough computer at home, at school, or your workplace, here was a radical game you could try out at no cost. Another big deal was the online multiplayer, which got vastly more accessible with the launch of the DWANGO service (following shortly after Doom 2 and Heretic), letting you play multiplayer with random people in your region. That's not to talk about all the console ports, and all the media controversy over the violence and satanic imagery.
On top of being groundbreaking, it also set in stone many of the important ground principles of first person shooters, for being one of the pioneers, it does its job at an incredible level of competence. The game is still really fun today, and you can see that by shoving the game into the hands of a zoomer today, where they'll actually fucking get it, which isn't something that can be said for many, MANY other old games which are immortal classics in their own right. Then there's the whole part where if you like the game, there's now 28 years of fan made content, some which is incredibly good, better than the original game itself, many times, so if you want more, you'll never run out.
I could keep going with factors like how by the late 90s this was a good game you could run flawlessly on a poverty computer in the third world, and pirating it was trivial, so you see it linger there as well, but from my autistic tl;dr ramblings, you get the picture that this was a great game which was very widely accessible, and which never truly went away.
Thus Doom already has a huge legacy and word of mouth from older generations, then eventually comes Doom 4, in 2016, and this brings in a lot of new attention to classic Doom again. For a long time, the core fanbase which still played it actively had narrowed down some, but part of ZeniMax's marketing was to shine a spotlight on the original games and play a lot on nostalgia (in a pretty shallow way, admittedly), but as they made it even more available with some good ports, that strokes more interest.
I think that a lot of these dicks do have a genuine love for the game, few of them are posers (certainly not the ones who have been regulars on Doomworld since the 90s and 2000s). I'd be very surprised if a faggot like Alison or Rachael didn't actually enjoy playing the game and modding it, because they've been around doing so for a long time.
Rather, these people were always assholes in one way or another, or they were crazy all the time, and as they grew older, and as this stupid cultural war potatoes out of control. they bare their true colors.
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I imagine it's also due in part to how Doom is at an intersection between programming autists (Doom's engine is open source) and retrogamers, two groups which themselves are full of trannies and the like. Doomworld being run by goons only amplifies that.
I'd think it's just that people these days are too afraid to be a little more real with themselves these days, for a reason. Any scrutiny or criticism is taken as a personal attack, and... we can see how this ends up being, where even mentioning someone in a negative light on an internet gossip forum makes them lose their shit, because one can't do that anywhere else anymore. It'd probably come under some bullshit like bullying, transphobia or whatever else of an excuse to ban you, where it wasn't even the point of the problem.
Now add on top of that the whole tribalism and suddenly they're okay with kicking their """friend""" into a curb who was only used as an emotional sponge to carry their burdens, but the moment he couldn't take it anymore - they had to chimp out to the point there was nothing to salvage there. The sex pest is just the cherry on top, cause they'd probably feel more inclined on protecting him.
Now add on top of that the whole tribalism and suddenly they're okay with kicking their """friend""" into a curb who was only used as an emotional sponge to carry their burdens, but the moment he couldn't take it anymore - they had to chimp out to the point there was nothing to salvage there. The sex pest is just the cherry on top, cause they'd probably feel more inclined on protecting him.
The Doom troon clique and lefty clowns like to talk about harassment and the like but everyone was mum about Term. Lately there hasn't been anything about him too and his departure wasn't even told by everyone on the servers, or their forums. Yeah, they know exactly who that sex pest is but are quiet for some reason and it's not the good kind.
Who do you think is the sex pest?
It's pretty hard to guess since it can be pretty much everyone with the stuff we have right now, which is pretty much almost nothing but if I'm to approach it with the silence with Term's problem I'll take a guess its one of the "major contributors" in the doom community, possibly a known modder or hell one of the devs of the sourceports.
Mr. Duck
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Brutal Doom attracted a lot of new people to classic Doom, /vr/ having threads about it also helped (a lot of doom memes came from there), and finally Doom 2016 brought most of the millenial/zoomer fanbase.
Before those (around the late 00s) there were younger people in the community, specially around Skulltag before it became shit, but the majority of the fanbase were in their 20s or older.
I think it was due to the release of Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. One look at the r/Doom subreddit page and I think you'll get what I mean.
Mr. Phobiam
kiwifarms.net
When Brutal Doom has come. At this point the changes in population patterns start to become visible but nobody would give it that much of attention. "Hey it's just the game and we all enjoy it, right? right?!"
Well these days any game is about finding something offensive or not woke, whine about that. It's not about entertainment, because these assclowns don't need this. They need fame and cash, even if that was build on bones or blood of others.
And I noticed a moment here. Since some exhibits like major arlene or bridgeburner become famous among Doom community all the stuff start to gone to shit. They got fame, money, and they showed their true colors. Truly, greed and pride can get you that far that you'll lost your human-self.
They're getting money?
Someone makes a huge level with bright color contrasts and monster floodfills, difficulty levels aren't implemented, and the map takes like two fucking hours to complete. If it doesn't win a Cacoward outright, it gets a runner up.
Sunlust was cool as fuck, but the people aping very select parts of it with close to zero thought to encounter design is somewhat of a plague.
Sunlust was cool as fuck, but the people aping very select parts of it with close to zero thought to encounter design is somewhat of a plague.
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Guys they're getting mad at us
Do they know that Byuu is probably not dead and likely faking it? The drugs he claimed to be using aren't legally available in Japan, and would be very unlikely to kill him in the event of an overdose. Could still happen, but it's not likely.
I also want to say that nobody here has given a fuck about Byuu for a very long time, he was long forgotten about because he was just not very interesting, until today, when he tried to extort Null, threatening suicide, reviving his husk of a thread and multiplying activity by more than anything before.
I know some of you lurk here, so let me ask you this: If he was being "harassed" by KiwiFarms, why would his thread be completely dry and inactive? We revel in watching sick clowns dance, yet we'd keep totally quiet about it when this one is supposed to be boogeying the most? Also MushroomMan is a stupid faggot.
I also want to say that nobody here has given a fuck about Byuu for a very long time, he was long forgotten about because he was just not very interesting, until today, when he tried to extort Null, threatening suicide, reviving his husk of a thread and multiplying activity by more than anything before.
I know some of you lurk here, so let me ask you this: If he was being "harassed" by KiwiFarms, why would his thread be completely dry and inactive? We revel in watching sick clowns dance, yet we'd keep totally quiet about it when this one is supposed to be boogeying the most? Also MushroomMan is a stupid faggot.
He also wasn't even doxed. His 13-page thread had no personal information at all until he posted those awful troonout selfies to suicide bait. It was just making fun of him for being an open autogynephile furry and being a giant dickhead to people around him and then tantruming when called out.
Edit: Here's what the retro gaming community thought of him before his troonout.
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I thought Byuu released almost everything he dumped though?
MushroomMan was one of the shitkickers in the BoA thread in Doomworld I believe so no surprise there.
Also, incoming text dump talking about the ebil trans killing KF and how they want to instill what is pretty much thought police:
Phantombeta is the user that hates us the most that I can't help that there's a reason behind it. I saw someone mention that the russian doom community also talks about them the same way as us, confirming that indeed, ruskies are based.
Also these people are just bandwagoning. They'll forget about this and bring it up when it's relevant. But if the emulator troon is actually alive all this time which seems to be the case, I hope they realize how stupid all this was.
EDIT: Also there was a talk about this site choosing to keep the Christchurch shooting. Everyone not being allowed to share the christchurch video for some reason is 1984/globohomo-tier of insanity. Even with just the intent of sharing it for everyone to watch to see what happened is not allowed is pretty insane and there was a hint of double standards or your today's brand of evil weirdness to it. Bunch of shootouts and executions are shared over the internet, but what makes this one special that everyone should bury it? It's also regressive, history archival-wise. There's a really good reason why history and atrocities from the past are documented.
Also, incoming text dump talking about the ebil trans killing KF and how they want to instill what is pretty much thought police:
[12:35 AM] phredreeke: Near (also known as byuu), author of bsnes/higan, took their own life... 
[12:51 AM] KaptainMicila: Damn, I heard of people trying to help him
[12:52 AM] KaptainMicila: MVG too
[12:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1409176583433179137
[1:04 AM] weasel [he/him]: tldr: this was murder. KF couldn't get to him directly, so they got to other people instead. until he couldn't handle it anymore.
[1:05 AM] weasel [he/him]: :big_bucks2:
[1:17 AM] KaptainMicila: It's terrible that I'm hearing of Kiwi Farms only these days
[1:17 AM] KaptainMicila: These are the sites that have to be shut down
[1:19 AM] The Impure: tldr: any suicide is a murder
[1:19 AM] The Impure: it does not require 16 blocks of text
[1:19 AM] The Impure: everyone knows it
[1:20 AM] The Impure: in most sane countries causing someone to suicide is just as criminal as directly killing them law wise
[1:21 AM] The Impure: wild west of the internet though
[1:21 AM] The Impure: no one cares
[1:23 AM] Dynamo: wait, the fuck
[1:26 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: well, we mentioned the hellsite, cue them talking about us again
[1:26 AM] The Impure: for whatever reason wiki article on KiwiFarms mentions only "good" things i.e. debunking retarded bullshit
[1:27 AM] The Impure: that's quite suspicious lol
[1:27 AM] ultra_kek: great wording man
[1:28 AM] The Impure: Well I cannot have better wording for things such as deceiving the community into thinking that you have a lethal disease and using the collected money for something else
[1:29 AM] ultra_kek: thats not even anything close to what the word means
[1:29 AM] The Impure: Anyway my point was that basically
[1:29 AM] The Impure: It should have more bad examples
[1:30 AM] The Impure: Because the section on examples of KF activity directly contradicts the beginning of the article where it says that its literally a troll website
[1:30 AM] The Impure: Anyway it's not important, just wanted to google to understand whats going on
[1:35 AM] ultra_kek: i still really dont think its very appropriate to be speaking like that especially on an event that eventually literally lead to another person's suicide
[1:38 AM] The Impure: You should separate actions and result.
[1:39 AM] The Impure: Also you should separate supporting someone else (especially "fully") and coinciding on the opinion in a controversy
[1:41 AM] The Impure: All I said is that I don't like when you pretend to gather money for curing a life threatening condition and then that results in being false. This undermines trust to such gathering in our society in general and makes people suspecting. It puts people with real life threatening conditions in danger.
[1:41 AM] The Impure: I don't support the way their community reacted to this. Lynch mob is bad.
[1:45 AM] Clownman: This is severely fucked up, mainly because I was a victim of harassment and was suicidal last year
[1:46 AM] Clownman: All because of opinions over fucking video games
[1:46 AM] Clownman: Really sad to hear this news and I wish I could send my condolences to Near’s family
[1:47 AM] Clownman: He did a lot for emulation and game preservation
[1:47 AM] Vordenko: Wasn't there a case where someone drew a Steven's Universe character slightly different than in the original design, and that person got harassed out of tumblr, and it got so bad even the creators of the show stepped in and told the mob to drop it?
[1:47 AM] KaptainMicila: Yes, it's truly terrible
[1:48 AM] Vordenko: All in all, this is really sad news, and my condolences goes to the family. Some people just take it too far :/
[1:48 AM] ultra_kek: its a really disgusting site
[1:49 AM] ultra_kek: they republished the video and manifesto of the christchurch shooting
[1:49 AM] Vordenko: iirc, you can't really arrest a hundred people for causing a suicide, but they can go directly to the people that started it... at least that's my understanding of it.
[1:49 AM] Vordenko: Depends of the country's laws
[1:50 AM] The Impure: yes, but then it also becomes hard to prove that its them who started it
[1:51 AM] The Impure: especially on an anonymous board
[1:51 AM] The Impure: those people just love to say "it wasnt me it was just an idea floating in the air"
[1:51 AM] The Impure: "anyone could say it"
[1:51 AM] Vordenko: It seems that Kiwi Farms only pops up whenever bad shit is goes down, or is about to go down, and they are often at the center of it.
[1:52 AM] The Impure: I guess laws on lynch mobs or, thinking of it, even bullying, are nonexistent at all
[1:52 AM] The Impure: and it's a large failure I believe
[1:52 AM] The Impure: Because essentially "no one is guilty" in such cases
[1:52 AM] Vordenko: That's because the internet advanced too quickly for traditional laws to cover them.
[1:52 AM] The Impure: It does not happen only on the internet though
[1:52 AM] Vordenko: And the laws take too long to even adapt.
[1:52 AM] The Impure: But yes, the internet made it times worse
[1:54 AM] The Impure: This absence of laws also takes noticeable part in the "cancelling" trend
[1:54 AM] ultra_kek: not to disregard anything, but id like to note its a bit ironic the way that most kiwifarm users particularly mock the trends of user's bios while the site's owner appears to be hiding behind one, presumably to obscure them being the owner
[1:54 AM] ultra_kek: wait, what?
[1:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: ... Maybe we should talk about something else.
[1:55 AM] Vordenko: Yeah I agree.
[1:55 AM] phredreeke: can we talk about what a brilliant guy near was?
[1:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: It's already known they've got a thread about this community, we don't need to give them a reason to act on us.
[1:56 AM] The Impure: :WALL25_OHYEAH:
[1:56 AM] Vordenko: Honestly more concerned about members of the community than myself tbh, so I second the notion
[1:56 AM] The Impure: Great motivation
[1:56 AM] The Impure: OK though lol
[1:56 AM] weasel [he/him]: This. Hard to believe he was only 23 (disregard, i don't know how to read), his influence was massive and will continue to be felt across retro gaming.
[1:56 AM] phredreeke: no he wasn't 23
[1:57 AM] phredreeke: he had been programming for 23 years
[1:57 AM] weasel [he/him]: oh
[1:57 AM] weasel [he/him]: there goes my reading comprehension then
[1:57 AM] Vordenko: happens to the best of us
[1:57 AM] Dynamo: I remember following some of the early development of bsnes on IRC
[1:57 AM] phredreeke: you weren't the first to make that mistake
[1:57 AM] Dynamo: it was a truly remarkable project from the start
[1:58 AM] Vordenko: He may have ended his own life, but his legacy will live on.
[1:58 AM] Vordenko: Sigh.
[1:59 AM] Vordenko: That's one of my views on death. Yeah death is inevitable, we will all go through it eventually (In this case, it happened too prematurely due to factors beyond his control), but one thing we can do is leave behind some sort of record. Memories live longer than us, so... trying to look at it in a more bittersweet way: At least he won't be forgotten.
[2:03 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: they will live on as long as they're remembered
[2:03 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: that's how I see it
[2:04 AM] Vordenko: Yup
[2:07 AM] phantombeta: Only tangentially related to the previous discussion so I hope this is ok - I dunno about there, but here, lynch mobs are illegal
[2:07 AM] phantombeta: Being involved in an IRL lynch mob that harms or kills someone will land you in jail AFAIK
[2:09 AM] phantombeta: Internet harassment is also illegal, and at least in some cases the authorities here have tried to track someone's online identity back to their real identity
[2:10 AM] Vordenko: Over here in Ecuador we have something similar
[2:11 AM] Vordenko: Infact I think they recently have been adapting our laws so it covers more broad cases about cyber harassment, though it's been slow.
[2:24 AM] ultra_kek: i would like to point out that as far as im aware near was nonbinary
[2:24 AM] ultra_kek: just to be clear on that
[2:25 AM] Vordenko: Hm, didn't know about that. Thanks ^^
[2:59 AM] Muusi: That's just wrong
[2:59 AM] Muusi: Talking from personal experience
[2:59 AM] phantombeta: If someone is driven to suicide, that's murder
[3:00 AM] phantombeta: Specially so when they've been intentionally harassed and bullied
[3:00 AM] TheMightyHeracross: I think the point of contention is the word "any". In this context specifically it makes a bit more sense
[3:00 AM] Muusi: Maybe i misunderstood
[3:03 AM] Timberwolf: Someone in my old workplace suggested strongly that I commit suicide. They think they're above the LAW, but it always catches up.
[3:03 AM] Timberwolf: In their case, they haven't faced charges for that...yet. But they were sued recently for 2 million among other things.
[3:05 AM] Kizoky: that's fucked up
[3:06 AM] Timberwolf: Someone else tried to do the same, except that they tried to instigate a suicide-murder, with me as the target, and several children. Though the person nearly driven to that point admitted that he was set up to do it, the police never took notice when I contacted them. I'm sure the LORD remembers that.
[3:07 AM] Timberwolf: Trust me, I've been through some crazy stuff, but in the end, nothing bothers me anymore as a result.
[3:07 AM] Tiger: Sorry to hear that... Karma will come around.
[3:07 AM] Timberwolf: No one escapes the LAW, not without payment. And I hold no grudges against people.
[3:13 AM] The Impure: Ok, let's replace "any" with 70%
[3:13 AM] The Impure: Another rough 25% being bad circumstances stacking up and no one around caring
[3:14 AM] The Impure: and 5% for uncured mental illness
[3:14 AM] The Impure: I think it's still bad enough
[3:15 AM] The Impure: Maybe it's just the impression the media give us, but it still sounds bad either way
[3:18 AM] Tiger: Not to down play anything regarding this matter, but the media is only good for reporting negativity, while focusing on one-sided agendas, chaos, and civil unrest. Whatever gives them the most ratings and assuring people are hooked on to their platform.
[3:19 AM] Tiger: Perhaps I am biased, but - that's all that I see from those areas.
[3:23 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: yeah
[3:23 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: I see it all the time
[3:29 AM] Dynamo: what am I even reading
[3:35 AM] Omnicydle: omfg, just seeing this... how horrible
[3:45 AM] Barry Burton: Wait what???
[3:46 AM] weasel [he/him]: the short version is, we just lost one of the biggest people in emulation development
[3:47 AM] Barry Burton: No way. I can't even believe it
[3:47 AM] Barry Burton: This is sad
[3:51 AM] Barry Burton: Why can't people just be decent to each other?
[4:00 AM] KaptainMicila: Because humans are trash, it seems
[4:00 AM] KaptainMicila: The ability to speak does not make humans more intelligent, indeed
[4:36 AM] Muusi: What happened then? The image wasn't readable atleast on my phone. Did the bullying bleed into his real life or something? Having a hard time believing it was just internet stuff that drove him to do this.
[4:37 AM] Muusi: Emulation is very important for many reasons and this is a huge goddamn loss.
[4:39 AM] Rachael [she/her]: this fucking sucks. i am so angry right now.
[4:41 AM] Rachael [she/her]: the only right thing to do is if every last person involved in the bullying gets thrown in jail for years ... they should all face murder charges. all of them.
[4:46 AM] weasel [he/him]: the tweet links to a Google Docs file - the image is just its thumbnail. but the summary of that is, because Near was so secretive and kept extra-tight security around everything they did, the legions decided to start targeting people close to them instead.
[4:58 AM] phantombeta: Except this "just internet stuff" included doxxing
[4:58 AM] Muusi: That's bullshit
[4:58 AM] phantombeta: And literally harassing and likely even sending death threats
[4:58 AM] Muusi: You doxx you should fuck yourself in prison
[5:12 AM] weasel [he/him]: tbh, "just internet stuff" was never a thing. there never has been a divide between the internet and real life, because if somebody's being a dick to you online, they're being a dick to you. It's your emotions and life they're affecting, not the emotions of the name you're sitting behind in a chat room.
[5:14 AM] weasel [he/him]: and maybe some people are strong enough that they don't ultimately feel it, but we can't make that assumption for everybody. so, really, let's just try to be the best people that we can to others
[5:14 AM] weasel [he/him]: because we cannot know what's going on, on the other side of the cable.
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: Yeah I've never understood this "just internet stuff" bs
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: like
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: Are you a robot or something?
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: Because the internet, by the fact that it's a real thing that exists in real life, affects you, directly
[5:19 AM] Muusi: Butbut
[5:19 AM] weasel [he/him]: it makes me wonder if people used to feel this way about telephones
[5:19 AM] weasel [he/him]: "oh, that person who called your phone last night can't hurt you, it's just the phone"
[5:22 AM] Muusi: Maybe i'm missing something here. Like, if there's a site out there that has content i don't like, i don't go there. Of course it's different if the hate is plastered on every site imaginable. But, can't you just change your user name and never ever speak anything about your personal life? Seems like it should work.
[5:22 AM] weasel [he/him]: it's not that they have "content i don't like"
[5:22 AM] weasel [he/him]: it's that the people there specifically go out of their way to FUCKING DESTROY PEOPLE
[5:23 AM] weasel [he/him]: if they do not have ammunition, they will create it
[5:23 AM] weasel [he/him]: and it's ultimately just a vessel through which those people meet and conduct their shit
[5:23 AM] The Impure: I saw the DW thread there btw after you mentioned they have a thread
[5:24 AM] The Impure: It wasn't anything that bad in this particular case lol
[5:24 AM] The Impure: We have similar level and direction of discussions in Russian Doom forums
[5:24 AM] weasel [he/him]: even without the specific site, those kinda people would still exist and still find ways to do it
[5:25 AM] The Impure: I guess the main problem is not the threads or the people
[5:25 AM] The Impure: It's the combination that helps people who are mad
[5:25 AM] The Impure: Find others within the platform, for supporting their otherwise boring and uninteresting personal grudges
[5:27 AM] The Impure: I still find 4chan worse
[5:27 AM] The Impure: Because in 4chan no one will even try to have their own opinion, they would just bandwagon for the lulz
Just like we once had these very, VERY popular threads on 2ch (Russian 4chan) which essentially involved raiding open RAdmin ports and hacking systems, or DDoSing random websites. This was 8-10 years ago or so
[5:28 AM] Muusi: But can't you just not look at it then? And how could anyone know to target you if you change your user name and stay anonymous?
[5:28 AM] weasel [he/him]: Did you not read what I said
[5:28 AM] weasel [he/him]: "not looking at it" DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM
[5:28 AM] phantombeta: They literally go after you in every site you are in
[5:28 AM] weasel [he/him]: because these people exist, these people ruin fucking lives, and they will seek you out regardless of whether you want to read their shit or not
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: And they scour the internet to find you if you change your username
[5:29 AM] weasel [he/him]: Yeah. changing your name doesn't help either
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: That's the whole point
[5:29 AM] The Impure: Names changes will be detected literally in under a day
[5:29 AM] weasel [he/him]: if even one person knows what you go by now, somebody will find out how to get that information
[5:29 AM] Vostyok: Ask them how many of them remember A-Log.
[5:29 AM] The Impure: Unless you also entirely abandon all your past activity
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: They aren't here to "just write mean things about you"
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: They're here to literally harass you to suicide
[5:29 AM] The Impure: And even that does not warrant anything
[5:30 AM] phantombeta: With any means necessary
[5:30 AM] phantombeta: That's their ultimate goal with everyone they harass
[5:30 AM] weasel [he/him]: And even if you have done absolutely nothing wrong to the point that you're a literal saint and have no means of contact outside of your pseudonym that only a few people know? They'll spread vile fucking rumors about how you're a literal pedophile. They'll MAKE you known.
[5:30 AM] weasel [he/him]: And once that shit's out there, you cannot hope to contain it.
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: Might I interject with my own opinion.
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: I know everyone is angry.
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: But what happened has happened.
[5:33 AM] The Impure: I'm not
[5:33 AM] The Impure: hi
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: Yo
[5:34 AM] Vostyok: We need to think about ourselves. Our friends. How we present ourselves.
[5:34 AM] Vostyok: The line between net and Real is blurring by the day.
[5:34 AM] weasel [he/him]: I just got done saying about this: there never was a line
[5:35 AM] Vostyok: Perhaps so. Perhaps not. Just remember to protect what information you give out, and know where information is coming from.
[5:36 AM] phantombeta: Too bad we've literally got web services dedicated to scouring the web for your personal info, so that's useless
[5:36 AM] phantombeta: See: fucking Facebook
[5:37 AM] Vostyok: This mob mentality is disgusting. I agree. And no one's data is safe. So don't make yourself a target in the first place. Reminder this is a public forum as well.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: I think it's not quite correct.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: The line was not there in the beginning
[5:37 AM] The Impure: Then it appeared
[5:37 AM] The Impure: Then it started to blur again
[5:37 AM] phantombeta: https://discord.com/channels/268086704961748992/272004467791101963/858821661994516540
[5:37 AM] Vostyok: Semantics.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: Additionally in the western countries it was very different.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: As in everyone used to use their real name in emails, forum names, etc
[5:37 AM] phantombeta: You do not need to "make yourself a target"
[5:37 AM] Rachael [she/her]: Vostyok I like you a lot so don't take this the wrong way: But ... You're not helping. At all.
[5:37 AM] phantombeta: If you don't, KF will just make shit up about you
[5:38 AM] The Impure: For example in russian speaking internet most people were trying to be as anonymous as possible, at least for publicly visible stuff
[5:38 AM] The Impure: Up to hiding their name and gender, let alone place of living
[5:38 AM] Vostyok: As you say. I will go for now.
[5:38 AM] The Impure: This paranoid approach has reduced a lot after social networks appeared
[5:38 AM] Muusi: For sure people being accused of pedophilia is such a common attack nowadays that its slowly losing it's strength
[5:38 AM] weasel [he/him]: Sure, but if they want to affect you, they don't need to know anything more than where you hang out.
[5:39 AM] weasel [he/him]: Or who you talk to.
[5:39 AM] weasel [he/him]: Try telling that to the people whose names you cannot even bring up without people asking "wait, you mean the pedo?"
[5:41 AM] The Impure: I guess it also varies between countries in mentality, or between communities, I'm not sure
[5:41 AM] weasel [he/him]: It hardly matters how secretive you are. They'll find ways. Just like they found a way yesterday.
[5:41 AM] The Impure: I know when I was in Zandronum community
[5:41 AM] The Impure: People used to bring up "pedo" as some uh
[5:41 AM] The Impure: One of primary negative characteristics or so
[5:41 AM] The Impure: Like its a topic that they hear every day
[5:41 AM] The Impure: Not sure how to word this correctly. But this was the feeling
[5:42 AM] The Impure: Which, to me, means that this kind of accusation would also have different power in different communities that watch the same news or media or w/e
[5:43 AM] The Impure: Still bad, but could have been a lot worse
[5:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: Or maybe your circles within zandronum just became desensitized to the term.
[5:44 AM] The Impure: "my circles" whole PVP part of the community is (was) like that. And also calling people n-rs and autists
[5:44 AM] The Impure: Thats probably the case though
[5:44 AM] phredreeke: to most people, pedo is one of the worst things you can be accused of
[5:45 AM] weasel [he/him]: yeah that's a sign of a really unhealthy community
[5:45 AM] weasel [he/him]: one of the many reasons i do not play games with people in them
[5:45 AM] phantombeta: Extremely unhealthy, for certain
[5:46 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Labeling the entire Zandronum community like that is a pretty bold statement.
[5:46 AM] The Impure: I can probably further narrow it to the private CTF/duel dwellers
[5:46 AM] The Impure: Which is 30+ people
[5:46 AM] The Impure: And still a lot
[5:48 AM] weasel [he/him]: that's an unfortunate group of people then and if you no longer hang around them, then good for you
[5:48 AM] The Impure: And either way my point was that these kinds of stigmatizing characteristics (where people can even believe it without proof or just spread it and bandwagon) are kind of community anti-memes
[5:59 AM] weasel [he/him]: i mean... not to keep harping on this as a point, but you know how I keep getting after people in here for making jokes about sensitive topics? And then those people tend to get banned when they insist it's "just a joke"? Yeah. I don't want this community to be that way.
[6:05 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Never heard of Kiwi Farms before now. They have a Doomworld thread there that also seems to double as a ZDF thread. It's very bizarre seeing people on a completely different corner of the Internet reacting to community drama...
[6:06 AM] The Impure: That's exactly what I was talking about
[6:06 AM] The Impure: One person who knows what DW is
[6:06 AM] The Impure: Drags attention from everyone else who don't yet know what DW is
[6:06 AM] The Impure: Though apparently a lot of people there played Doom
[6:06 AM] The Impure: lol
[6:09 AM] Captain J: Kiwi Farms mostly talks about any kind of drama and make fun of others being too irresponsible, insecure or hyperreacting.
[6:11 AM] phredreeke: I wouldn't talk about them tbh, they get off on the attention
[6:14 AM] The Impure: Not really lol
[6:14 AM] The Impure: No one even knew it existed
[6:14 AM] The Impure: Well mostly no one knows they existed until the troll strike
[6:15 AM] The Impure: But either way, I agree, my impression was that it's mostly talking and even a lot of arguments like "this is not the worst I've seen, who cares"
[6:16 AM] The Impure: I guess there are specific extremist cases or something (or people)
[6:16 AM] The Impure: no idea
[6:16 AM] weasel [he/him]: a person fucking died today
[6:18 AM] Mobby2001: what??
[6:19 AM] weasel [he/him]: mobby, you know that KF site you keep saying you read for laughs? block them. never go there again. never think about them. never give them the time of day.
[6:19 AM] The Impure: ...
[6:20 AM] Mobby2001: ok
[6:20 AM] The Impure: And also don't ever open 4chan
[6:22 AM] phantombeta: Consider the fact that the site's creator specifically refused to delete the copy of the Christchurch's shooter manifesto and livestream that were posted on KF
[6:22 AM] phantombeta: Even after the New Zealand government threatened legal action
[6:22 AM] phantombeta: To the point where KF is fully banned and blocked in NZ
[6:26 AM] Mobby2001: yikes
[6:27 AM] Red: Interesting. I know kiwi, not that it had a DW thread, but i should not be surprised.
Its... A site, yeah. Ruffle feathers.
[6:29 AM] The Impure: Well total absence of moderation is extremely bad but then again that's expected
[6:29 AM] The Impure: Because moderation + being toxic does not mix very well
[6:29 AM] The Impure: I guess the website is indeed dangerous by itself
[6:30 AM] The Impure: Where is the server hosted anyway
[6:30 AM] Muusi: No, some users are, like in most communities
[6:30 AM] The Impure: Why are they not afraid of anything
[6:30 AM] weasel [he/him]: it's a website where remaining anonymous is a hard rule, because accidentally exposing any personal information to another user could endanger you to them
[6:30 AM] phredreeke: Somewhere in Eastern Europe I think
[6:31 AM] The Impure: one of the DNS IPs says USA
[6:31 AM] Mobby2001: so how does one ensure they stay anonymous?
[6:31 AM] The Impure: Actually all of them say USA
[6:31 AM] Muusi: Saying KW is all bad for some of it's users is like saying the whole furry community is bad because of some people violating animals
[6:31 AM] The Impure: Can't US just bring down any website that supports terrorism or so
[6:31 AM] The Impure: Assuming it's hosted in US
[6:31 AM] Mobby2001: yeah, i guess this is true
[6:32 AM] weasel [he/him]: what's good about them?
[6:32 AM] weasel [he/him]: why the hell do they exist? what's the point of them if not what they demonstrably have done?
[6:33 AM] The Impure:
>nslookup kiwifarms.net
Server: dns.google
Address: 8.8.8.8
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: kiwifarms.net
Addresses: 2606:4700:10::ac43:fe1
2606:4700:10::6816:853
2606:4700:10::6816:953 <-- no idea how to check ipv6
104.22.9.83 <-- USA IP
104.22.8.83 <-- USA IP
172.67.15.225 <-- USA IP
[6:33 AM] Mobby2001: just like any other human, they just simply exist? i guess...??????
[6:33 AM] Mobby2001: but yes, there is nothing good about them i guess
[6:34 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Honestly I would've thought the Doom community was too niche to end up on a site like that so it was very jarring to see. They would've had a field day with some of my 14-year-old self's forum freakouts...
[6:34 AM] phantombeta: The big difference is that the furry community isn't literally built around violating animals
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: hey uh
[6:34 AM] phantombeta: KF, on the other hand, is literally built on harassing people
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: https://forums.duke4.net/topic/11712-release-another-attack-part-2-weissensee
Duke4.net Forums
[RELEASE] Another Attack (Part 2): Weissensee
[6:34 AM] Muusi: Yeah it's a site where people go to laugh at internet personalities. Nothing constructive at least but as a Christorian i see the value sonewhat
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: I highly, highly recommend playing this map
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: though maybe play part 1 first
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: it's amazing
[6:35 AM] weasel [he/him]: They exist to mock people? That's good?
[6:35 AM] weasel [he/him]: Right, I'm not gonna entertain you trying to justify them to us anymore.
[6:35 AM] phantombeta: Another big difference: Most of the furry community actively shuns the people who violate animals
[6:35 AM] phantombeta: KF does not shun its users who purposefully harass people until they kill themselves
[6:35 AM] phredreeke: Impure: those are Cloudflare IPs
[6:35 AM] phantombeta: In fact, it welcomes them with open arms
[6:36 AM] Mobby2001: im sure they are, i mean look at hot wheels or whatever his name is, he created 8chan and hes disgusted by it
6:37 AM] phantombeta: KF's creator sure as hell ain't
[6:37 AM] phredreeke: There's a big fucking difference between mocking someone and driving them to suicide
[6:38 AM] phantombeta: Reminder
[6:38 AM] The Impure: Again
[6:38 AM] The Impure: Are you sure this is not because he was afraid?
[6:38 AM] The Impure: That the community "will not understand" if he tries to actually intervene
[6:38 AM] phantombeta: Because he was afraid of what?
[6:38 AM] The Impure: And will actually attack him instead
[6:39 AM] The Impure: The identity of KF's creator is well known
[6:39 AM] Muusi: He's known for turning down threats like NZ so i guess it's not about being afraid of his own community
[6:39 AM] The Impure: hm.
[6:39 AM] The Impure: Makes sense. Maybe not in that case.
[6:39 AM] phredreeke: Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he has created?
[6:40 AM] The Impure: That's... a bit different
[6:40 AM] The Impure: However it's a great idea
[6:40 AM] The Impure: I should remember
[6:40 AM] The Impure: Thanks
[6:40 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: i know god stays in heaven because he's too much of a pussy to come finish the job
[6:40 AM] Muusi: Yeah rapture or doesnt exist
[6:41 AM] phredreeke: it's a quote from a spy kids movie
[6:41 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: tfw spy kids has more intellectual depth than most movies
6:42 AM] TheMightyHeracross: I'd hardly call the quote in question "intellectually deep" lol
[6:42 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: (/s)
[6:42 AM] Muusi: Yeah gonna zip it up the next time the topic arises
[6:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: Good. Because anybody else tries to tell me "they're not THAT bad" they're getting kicked
6:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: and I know how much this paints me as some dictator, and i don't care
[6:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: i have seen the damage they cause
[6:43 AM] phantombeta: By the way
[6:43 AM] phantombeta: https://www.news.com.au/technology/...t/news-story/46d3c925ef84b24dde6194c42b3c2241
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: Some news coverage about this fuckwit's site
[6:44 AM] phantombeta:
Before he founded Kiwi Farms, Moon was sacked as an administrator for 8chan for allegedly promoting paedophilia. He is notorious for his online stalking and harassment campaigns, which have featured threats to “rape, murder and dismember” his mainly female victims.
In 2016, Moon was linked to a series of online threats to harm children in Florida, where he shares a home with his mother, forcing dozens of schools into lockdown.
[6:44 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: you're not a dictator for showing definite proof that a group of people is terrible enough that it warrants a no discussion clause
[6:44 AM] phredreeke: I think this is the third time you told us in half an hour
[6:44 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Sacked from 8chan damn!
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: Yeah Null sure isn't a pedo
[6:44 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: you would be if evidence didn't exist, but it does
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: suuuuuure iiiiisssssn't
[6:44 AM] TheMightyHeracross: This man is no joke
[6:44 AM] NashMuhandes: This is also the first time I ever heard of kiwifarm. Glad I don't go to these kinds of sites (not even 4chan or vr or whatever)
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: Kiwi Farms makes 4chan look fucking tame
[6:45 AM] kevansevans: my spider senses tingled and I find this convo
[6:45 AM] kevansevans: fuck KF
6:46 AM] phredreeke: Change of topic, you know how when a bee stings, its stinger breaks off its body? Well, the same thing happens to the drone bee's reproductive organ after it mates.
[6:47 AM] phantombeta: Oh by the way
[6:47 AM] phantombeta: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Joshua_Conner_Moon Dunno about the site, but this has citations for its claims
Kiwi Farms
[6:48 AM] phantombeta: (Note: this site doesn't censor slurs in things quoted)
[6:48 AM] weasel [he/him]: (Image of rationalwiki article on Wikipedia)
[6:49 AM] weasel [he/him]: If the citations look legit then you might be good
[6:49 AM] phantombeta: At least a couple of the citations are directly to archived copies of KF, so
[6:50 AM] phredreeke: "Contributors" is an interesting way to put it
[6:52 AM] phantombeta: wdym?
[6:53 AM] phredreeke: The image weasel posted
[6:53 AM] weasel [he/him]: there's more of a story in the actual wikipedia article about rationalwiki
[6:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: to paraphrase it, though, the founder of RW, a doctor of reproductive health iirc, was initially trying to edit a Conservapedia article that claimed that abortion was a cause of breast cancer - Conservapedia's administration responded by reverting the edits, eventually banning the doctor, and shutting down all debate over it
[6:56 AM] Dynamo: rationalwiki is decent from what I've seen
[6:56 AM] Dynamo: ironically, I remember using it a few years ago to read articles about a few bad things the chinese government was doing, as the site was quite critical of that govt with some citations
[6:56 AM] Dynamo: haven't used it much outside of that
[6:56 AM] phredreeke: I think conservapedia sounds stupid, but on any other wiki said contributors would be called vandals
[6:57 AM] weasel [he/him]: yeah... you'll notice Conserv's name on my screenshot is highlighted in red. That'd be the ShinigamiEyes browser extension flagging them as being transphobic or otherwise problematic
[12:51 AM] KaptainMicila: Damn, I heard of people trying to help him
[12:52 AM] KaptainMicila: MVG too
[12:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: https://twitter.com/marcan42/status/1409176583433179137
[1:04 AM] weasel [he/him]: tldr: this was murder. KF couldn't get to him directly, so they got to other people instead. until he couldn't handle it anymore.
[1:05 AM] weasel [he/him]: :big_bucks2:
[1:17 AM] KaptainMicila: It's terrible that I'm hearing of Kiwi Farms only these days
[1:17 AM] KaptainMicila: These are the sites that have to be shut down
[1:19 AM] The Impure: tldr: any suicide is a murder
[1:19 AM] The Impure: it does not require 16 blocks of text
[1:19 AM] The Impure: everyone knows it
[1:20 AM] The Impure: in most sane countries causing someone to suicide is just as criminal as directly killing them law wise
[1:21 AM] The Impure: wild west of the internet though
[1:21 AM] The Impure: no one cares
[1:23 AM] Dynamo: wait, the fuck
[1:26 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: well, we mentioned the hellsite, cue them talking about us again
[1:26 AM] The Impure: for whatever reason wiki article on KiwiFarms mentions only "good" things i.e. debunking retarded bullshit
[1:27 AM] The Impure: that's quite suspicious lol
[1:27 AM] ultra_kek: great wording man
[1:28 AM] The Impure: Well I cannot have better wording for things such as deceiving the community into thinking that you have a lethal disease and using the collected money for something else
[1:29 AM] ultra_kek: thats not even anything close to what the word means
[1:29 AM] The Impure: Anyway my point was that basically
[1:29 AM] The Impure: It should have more bad examples
[1:30 AM] The Impure: Because the section on examples of KF activity directly contradicts the beginning of the article where it says that its literally a troll website
[1:30 AM] The Impure: Anyway it's not important, just wanted to google to understand whats going on
[1:35 AM] ultra_kek: i still really dont think its very appropriate to be speaking like that especially on an event that eventually literally lead to another person's suicide
[1:38 AM] The Impure: You should separate actions and result.
[1:39 AM] The Impure: Also you should separate supporting someone else (especially "fully") and coinciding on the opinion in a controversy
[1:41 AM] The Impure: All I said is that I don't like when you pretend to gather money for curing a life threatening condition and then that results in being false. This undermines trust to such gathering in our society in general and makes people suspecting. It puts people with real life threatening conditions in danger.
[1:41 AM] The Impure: I don't support the way their community reacted to this. Lynch mob is bad.
[1:45 AM] Clownman: This is severely fucked up, mainly because I was a victim of harassment and was suicidal last year
[1:46 AM] Clownman: All because of opinions over fucking video games
[1:46 AM] Clownman: Really sad to hear this news and I wish I could send my condolences to Near’s family
[1:47 AM] Clownman: He did a lot for emulation and game preservation
[1:47 AM] Vordenko: Wasn't there a case where someone drew a Steven's Universe character slightly different than in the original design, and that person got harassed out of tumblr, and it got so bad even the creators of the show stepped in and told the mob to drop it?
[1:47 AM] KaptainMicila: Yes, it's truly terrible
[1:48 AM] Vordenko: All in all, this is really sad news, and my condolences goes to the family. Some people just take it too far :/
[1:48 AM] ultra_kek: its a really disgusting site
[1:49 AM] ultra_kek: they republished the video and manifesto of the christchurch shooting
[1:49 AM] Vordenko: iirc, you can't really arrest a hundred people for causing a suicide, but they can go directly to the people that started it... at least that's my understanding of it.
[1:49 AM] Vordenko: Depends of the country's laws
[1:50 AM] The Impure: yes, but then it also becomes hard to prove that its them who started it
[1:51 AM] The Impure: especially on an anonymous board
[1:51 AM] The Impure: those people just love to say "it wasnt me it was just an idea floating in the air"
[1:51 AM] The Impure: "anyone could say it"
[1:51 AM] Vordenko: It seems that Kiwi Farms only pops up whenever bad shit is goes down, or is about to go down, and they are often at the center of it.
[1:52 AM] The Impure: I guess laws on lynch mobs or, thinking of it, even bullying, are nonexistent at all
[1:52 AM] The Impure: and it's a large failure I believe
[1:52 AM] The Impure: Because essentially "no one is guilty" in such cases
[1:52 AM] Vordenko: That's because the internet advanced too quickly for traditional laws to cover them.
[1:52 AM] The Impure: It does not happen only on the internet though
[1:52 AM] Vordenko: And the laws take too long to even adapt.
[1:52 AM] The Impure: But yes, the internet made it times worse
[1:54 AM] The Impure: This absence of laws also takes noticeable part in the "cancelling" trend
[1:54 AM] ultra_kek: not to disregard anything, but id like to note its a bit ironic the way that most kiwifarm users particularly mock the trends of user's bios while the site's owner appears to be hiding behind one, presumably to obscure them being the owner
[1:54 AM] ultra_kek: wait, what?
[1:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: ... Maybe we should talk about something else.
[1:55 AM] Vordenko: Yeah I agree.
[1:55 AM] phredreeke: can we talk about what a brilliant guy near was?
[1:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: It's already known they've got a thread about this community, we don't need to give them a reason to act on us.
[1:56 AM] The Impure: :WALL25_OHYEAH:
[1:56 AM] Vordenko: Honestly more concerned about members of the community than myself tbh, so I second the notion
[1:56 AM] The Impure: Great motivation
[1:56 AM] The Impure: OK though lol
[1:56 AM] weasel [he/him]: This. Hard to believe he was only 23 (disregard, i don't know how to read), his influence was massive and will continue to be felt across retro gaming.
[1:56 AM] phredreeke: no he wasn't 23
[1:57 AM] phredreeke: he had been programming for 23 years
[1:57 AM] weasel [he/him]: oh
[1:57 AM] weasel [he/him]: there goes my reading comprehension then
[1:57 AM] Vordenko: happens to the best of us
[1:57 AM] Dynamo: I remember following some of the early development of bsnes on IRC
[1:57 AM] phredreeke: you weren't the first to make that mistake
[1:57 AM] Dynamo: it was a truly remarkable project from the start
[1:58 AM] Vordenko: He may have ended his own life, but his legacy will live on.
[1:58 AM] Vordenko: Sigh.
[1:59 AM] Vordenko: That's one of my views on death. Yeah death is inevitable, we will all go through it eventually (In this case, it happened too prematurely due to factors beyond his control), but one thing we can do is leave behind some sort of record. Memories live longer than us, so... trying to look at it in a more bittersweet way: At least he won't be forgotten.
[2:03 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: they will live on as long as they're remembered
[2:03 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: that's how I see it
[2:04 AM] Vordenko: Yup
[2:07 AM] phantombeta: Only tangentially related to the previous discussion so I hope this is ok - I dunno about there, but here, lynch mobs are illegal
[2:07 AM] phantombeta: Being involved in an IRL lynch mob that harms or kills someone will land you in jail AFAIK
[2:09 AM] phantombeta: Internet harassment is also illegal, and at least in some cases the authorities here have tried to track someone's online identity back to their real identity
[2:10 AM] Vordenko: Over here in Ecuador we have something similar
[2:11 AM] Vordenko: Infact I think they recently have been adapting our laws so it covers more broad cases about cyber harassment, though it's been slow.
[2:24 AM] ultra_kek: i would like to point out that as far as im aware near was nonbinary
[2:24 AM] ultra_kek: just to be clear on that
[2:25 AM] Vordenko: Hm, didn't know about that. Thanks ^^
[2:59 AM] Muusi: That's just wrong
[2:59 AM] Muusi: Talking from personal experience
[2:59 AM] phantombeta: If someone is driven to suicide, that's murder
[3:00 AM] phantombeta: Specially so when they've been intentionally harassed and bullied
[3:00 AM] TheMightyHeracross: I think the point of contention is the word "any". In this context specifically it makes a bit more sense
[3:00 AM] Muusi: Maybe i misunderstood
[3:03 AM] Timberwolf: Someone in my old workplace suggested strongly that I commit suicide. They think they're above the LAW, but it always catches up.
[3:03 AM] Timberwolf: In their case, they haven't faced charges for that...yet. But they were sued recently for 2 million among other things.
[3:05 AM] Kizoky: that's fucked up
[3:06 AM] Timberwolf: Someone else tried to do the same, except that they tried to instigate a suicide-murder, with me as the target, and several children. Though the person nearly driven to that point admitted that he was set up to do it, the police never took notice when I contacted them. I'm sure the LORD remembers that.
[3:07 AM] Timberwolf: Trust me, I've been through some crazy stuff, but in the end, nothing bothers me anymore as a result.
[3:07 AM] Tiger: Sorry to hear that... Karma will come around.
[3:07 AM] Timberwolf: No one escapes the LAW, not without payment. And I hold no grudges against people.
[3:13 AM] The Impure: Ok, let's replace "any" with 70%
[3:13 AM] The Impure: Another rough 25% being bad circumstances stacking up and no one around caring
[3:14 AM] The Impure: and 5% for uncured mental illness
[3:14 AM] The Impure: I think it's still bad enough
[3:15 AM] The Impure: Maybe it's just the impression the media give us, but it still sounds bad either way
[3:18 AM] Tiger: Not to down play anything regarding this matter, but the media is only good for reporting negativity, while focusing on one-sided agendas, chaos, and civil unrest. Whatever gives them the most ratings and assuring people are hooked on to their platform.
[3:19 AM] Tiger: Perhaps I am biased, but - that's all that I see from those areas.
[3:23 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: yeah
[3:23 AM] Marisa Kirisame [she/her]: I see it all the time
[3:29 AM] Dynamo: what am I even reading
[3:35 AM] Omnicydle: omfg, just seeing this... how horrible
[3:45 AM] Barry Burton: Wait what???
[3:46 AM] weasel [he/him]: the short version is, we just lost one of the biggest people in emulation development
[3:47 AM] Barry Burton: No way. I can't even believe it
[3:47 AM] Barry Burton: This is sad
[3:51 AM] Barry Burton: Why can't people just be decent to each other?
[4:00 AM] KaptainMicila: Because humans are trash, it seems
[4:00 AM] KaptainMicila: The ability to speak does not make humans more intelligent, indeed
[4:36 AM] Muusi: What happened then? The image wasn't readable atleast on my phone. Did the bullying bleed into his real life or something? Having a hard time believing it was just internet stuff that drove him to do this.
[4:37 AM] Muusi: Emulation is very important for many reasons and this is a huge goddamn loss.
[4:39 AM] Rachael [she/her]: this fucking sucks. i am so angry right now.
[4:41 AM] Rachael [she/her]: the only right thing to do is if every last person involved in the bullying gets thrown in jail for years ... they should all face murder charges. all of them.
[4:46 AM] weasel [he/him]: the tweet links to a Google Docs file - the image is just its thumbnail. but the summary of that is, because Near was so secretive and kept extra-tight security around everything they did, the legions decided to start targeting people close to them instead.
[4:58 AM] phantombeta: Except this "just internet stuff" included doxxing
[4:58 AM] Muusi: That's bullshit
[4:58 AM] phantombeta: And literally harassing and likely even sending death threats
[4:58 AM] Muusi: You doxx you should fuck yourself in prison
[5:12 AM] weasel [he/him]: tbh, "just internet stuff" was never a thing. there never has been a divide between the internet and real life, because if somebody's being a dick to you online, they're being a dick to you. It's your emotions and life they're affecting, not the emotions of the name you're sitting behind in a chat room.
[5:14 AM] weasel [he/him]: and maybe some people are strong enough that they don't ultimately feel it, but we can't make that assumption for everybody. so, really, let's just try to be the best people that we can to others
[5:14 AM] weasel [he/him]: because we cannot know what's going on, on the other side of the cable.
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: Yeah I've never understood this "just internet stuff" bs
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: like
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: Are you a robot or something?
[5:18 AM] phantombeta: Because the internet, by the fact that it's a real thing that exists in real life, affects you, directly
[5:19 AM] Muusi: Butbut
[5:19 AM] weasel [he/him]: it makes me wonder if people used to feel this way about telephones
[5:19 AM] weasel [he/him]: "oh, that person who called your phone last night can't hurt you, it's just the phone"
[5:22 AM] Muusi: Maybe i'm missing something here. Like, if there's a site out there that has content i don't like, i don't go there. Of course it's different if the hate is plastered on every site imaginable. But, can't you just change your user name and never ever speak anything about your personal life? Seems like it should work.
[5:22 AM] weasel [he/him]: it's not that they have "content i don't like"
[5:22 AM] weasel [he/him]: it's that the people there specifically go out of their way to FUCKING DESTROY PEOPLE
[5:23 AM] weasel [he/him]: if they do not have ammunition, they will create it
[5:23 AM] weasel [he/him]: and it's ultimately just a vessel through which those people meet and conduct their shit
[5:23 AM] The Impure: I saw the DW thread there btw after you mentioned they have a thread
[5:24 AM] The Impure: It wasn't anything that bad in this particular case lol
[5:24 AM] The Impure: We have similar level and direction of discussions in Russian Doom forums
[5:24 AM] weasel [he/him]: even without the specific site, those kinda people would still exist and still find ways to do it
[5:25 AM] The Impure: I guess the main problem is not the threads or the people
[5:25 AM] The Impure: It's the combination that helps people who are mad
[5:25 AM] The Impure: Find others within the platform, for supporting their otherwise boring and uninteresting personal grudges
[5:27 AM] The Impure: I still find 4chan worse
[5:27 AM] The Impure: Because in 4chan no one will even try to have their own opinion, they would just bandwagon for the lulz
Just like we once had these very, VERY popular threads on 2ch (Russian 4chan) which essentially involved raiding open RAdmin ports and hacking systems, or DDoSing random websites. This was 8-10 years ago or so
[5:28 AM] Muusi: But can't you just not look at it then? And how could anyone know to target you if you change your user name and stay anonymous?
[5:28 AM] weasel [he/him]: Did you not read what I said
[5:28 AM] weasel [he/him]: "not looking at it" DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM
[5:28 AM] phantombeta: They literally go after you in every site you are in
[5:28 AM] weasel [he/him]: because these people exist, these people ruin fucking lives, and they will seek you out regardless of whether you want to read their shit or not
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: And they scour the internet to find you if you change your username
[5:29 AM] weasel [he/him]: Yeah. changing your name doesn't help either
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: That's the whole point
[5:29 AM] The Impure: Names changes will be detected literally in under a day
[5:29 AM] weasel [he/him]: if even one person knows what you go by now, somebody will find out how to get that information
[5:29 AM] Vostyok: Ask them how many of them remember A-Log.
[5:29 AM] The Impure: Unless you also entirely abandon all your past activity
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: They aren't here to "just write mean things about you"
[5:29 AM] phantombeta: They're here to literally harass you to suicide
[5:29 AM] The Impure: And even that does not warrant anything
[5:30 AM] phantombeta: With any means necessary
[5:30 AM] phantombeta: That's their ultimate goal with everyone they harass
[5:30 AM] weasel [he/him]: And even if you have done absolutely nothing wrong to the point that you're a literal saint and have no means of contact outside of your pseudonym that only a few people know? They'll spread vile fucking rumors about how you're a literal pedophile. They'll MAKE you known.
[5:30 AM] weasel [he/him]: And once that shit's out there, you cannot hope to contain it.
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: Might I interject with my own opinion.
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: I know everyone is angry.
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: But what happened has happened.
[5:33 AM] The Impure: I'm not
[5:33 AM] The Impure: hi
[5:33 AM] Vostyok: Yo
[5:34 AM] Vostyok: We need to think about ourselves. Our friends. How we present ourselves.
[5:34 AM] Vostyok: The line between net and Real is blurring by the day.
[5:34 AM] weasel [he/him]: I just got done saying about this: there never was a line
[5:35 AM] Vostyok: Perhaps so. Perhaps not. Just remember to protect what information you give out, and know where information is coming from.
[5:36 AM] phantombeta: Too bad we've literally got web services dedicated to scouring the web for your personal info, so that's useless
[5:36 AM] phantombeta: See: fucking Facebook
[5:37 AM] Vostyok: This mob mentality is disgusting. I agree. And no one's data is safe. So don't make yourself a target in the first place. Reminder this is a public forum as well.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: I think it's not quite correct.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: The line was not there in the beginning
[5:37 AM] The Impure: Then it appeared
[5:37 AM] The Impure: Then it started to blur again
[5:37 AM] phantombeta: https://discord.com/channels/268086704961748992/272004467791101963/858821661994516540
[5:37 AM] Vostyok: Semantics.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: Additionally in the western countries it was very different.
[5:37 AM] The Impure: As in everyone used to use their real name in emails, forum names, etc
[5:37 AM] phantombeta: You do not need to "make yourself a target"
[5:37 AM] Rachael [she/her]: Vostyok I like you a lot so don't take this the wrong way: But ... You're not helping. At all.
[5:37 AM] phantombeta: If you don't, KF will just make shit up about you
[5:38 AM] The Impure: For example in russian speaking internet most people were trying to be as anonymous as possible, at least for publicly visible stuff
[5:38 AM] The Impure: Up to hiding their name and gender, let alone place of living
[5:38 AM] Vostyok: As you say. I will go for now.
[5:38 AM] The Impure: This paranoid approach has reduced a lot after social networks appeared
[5:38 AM] Muusi: For sure people being accused of pedophilia is such a common attack nowadays that its slowly losing it's strength
[5:38 AM] weasel [he/him]: Sure, but if they want to affect you, they don't need to know anything more than where you hang out.
[5:39 AM] weasel [he/him]: Or who you talk to.
[5:39 AM] weasel [he/him]: Try telling that to the people whose names you cannot even bring up without people asking "wait, you mean the pedo?"
[5:41 AM] The Impure: I guess it also varies between countries in mentality, or between communities, I'm not sure
[5:41 AM] weasel [he/him]: It hardly matters how secretive you are. They'll find ways. Just like they found a way yesterday.
[5:41 AM] The Impure: I know when I was in Zandronum community
[5:41 AM] The Impure: People used to bring up "pedo" as some uh
[5:41 AM] The Impure: One of primary negative characteristics or so
[5:41 AM] The Impure: Like its a topic that they hear every day
[5:41 AM] The Impure: Not sure how to word this correctly. But this was the feeling
[5:42 AM] The Impure: Which, to me, means that this kind of accusation would also have different power in different communities that watch the same news or media or w/e
[5:43 AM] The Impure: Still bad, but could have been a lot worse
[5:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: Or maybe your circles within zandronum just became desensitized to the term.
[5:44 AM] The Impure: "my circles" whole PVP part of the community is (was) like that. And also calling people n-rs and autists
[5:44 AM] The Impure: Thats probably the case though
[5:44 AM] phredreeke: to most people, pedo is one of the worst things you can be accused of
[5:45 AM] weasel [he/him]: yeah that's a sign of a really unhealthy community
[5:45 AM] weasel [he/him]: one of the many reasons i do not play games with people in them
[5:45 AM] phantombeta: Extremely unhealthy, for certain
[5:46 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Labeling the entire Zandronum community like that is a pretty bold statement.
[5:46 AM] The Impure: I can probably further narrow it to the private CTF/duel dwellers
[5:46 AM] The Impure: Which is 30+ people
[5:46 AM] The Impure: And still a lot
[5:48 AM] weasel [he/him]: that's an unfortunate group of people then and if you no longer hang around them, then good for you
[5:48 AM] The Impure: And either way my point was that these kinds of stigmatizing characteristics (where people can even believe it without proof or just spread it and bandwagon) are kind of community anti-memes
[5:59 AM] weasel [he/him]: i mean... not to keep harping on this as a point, but you know how I keep getting after people in here for making jokes about sensitive topics? And then those people tend to get banned when they insist it's "just a joke"? Yeah. I don't want this community to be that way.
[6:05 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Never heard of Kiwi Farms before now. They have a Doomworld thread there that also seems to double as a ZDF thread. It's very bizarre seeing people on a completely different corner of the Internet reacting to community drama...
[6:06 AM] The Impure: That's exactly what I was talking about
[6:06 AM] The Impure: One person who knows what DW is
[6:06 AM] The Impure: Drags attention from everyone else who don't yet know what DW is
[6:06 AM] The Impure: Though apparently a lot of people there played Doom
[6:06 AM] The Impure: lol
[6:09 AM] Captain J: Kiwi Farms mostly talks about any kind of drama and make fun of others being too irresponsible, insecure or hyperreacting.
[6:11 AM] phredreeke: I wouldn't talk about them tbh, they get off on the attention
[6:14 AM] The Impure: Not really lol
[6:14 AM] The Impure: No one even knew it existed
[6:14 AM] The Impure: Well mostly no one knows they existed until the troll strike
[6:15 AM] The Impure: But either way, I agree, my impression was that it's mostly talking and even a lot of arguments like "this is not the worst I've seen, who cares"
[6:16 AM] The Impure: I guess there are specific extremist cases or something (or people)
[6:16 AM] The Impure: no idea
[6:16 AM] weasel [he/him]: a person fucking died today
[6:18 AM] Mobby2001: what??
[6:19 AM] weasel [he/him]: mobby, you know that KF site you keep saying you read for laughs? block them. never go there again. never think about them. never give them the time of day.
[6:19 AM] The Impure: ...
[6:20 AM] Mobby2001: ok
[6:20 AM] The Impure: And also don't ever open 4chan
[6:22 AM] phantombeta: Consider the fact that the site's creator specifically refused to delete the copy of the Christchurch's shooter manifesto and livestream that were posted on KF
[6:22 AM] phantombeta: Even after the New Zealand government threatened legal action
[6:22 AM] phantombeta: To the point where KF is fully banned and blocked in NZ
[6:26 AM] Mobby2001: yikes
[6:27 AM] Red: Interesting. I know kiwi, not that it had a DW thread, but i should not be surprised.
Its... A site, yeah. Ruffle feathers.
[6:29 AM] The Impure: Well total absence of moderation is extremely bad but then again that's expected
[6:29 AM] The Impure: Because moderation + being toxic does not mix very well
[6:29 AM] The Impure: I guess the website is indeed dangerous by itself
[6:30 AM] The Impure: Where is the server hosted anyway
[6:30 AM] Muusi: No, some users are, like in most communities
[6:30 AM] The Impure: Why are they not afraid of anything
[6:30 AM] weasel [he/him]: it's a website where remaining anonymous is a hard rule, because accidentally exposing any personal information to another user could endanger you to them
[6:30 AM] phredreeke: Somewhere in Eastern Europe I think
[6:31 AM] The Impure: one of the DNS IPs says USA
[6:31 AM] Mobby2001: so how does one ensure they stay anonymous?
[6:31 AM] The Impure: Actually all of them say USA
[6:31 AM] Muusi: Saying KW is all bad for some of it's users is like saying the whole furry community is bad because of some people violating animals
[6:31 AM] The Impure: Can't US just bring down any website that supports terrorism or so
[6:31 AM] The Impure: Assuming it's hosted in US
[6:31 AM] Mobby2001: yeah, i guess this is true
[6:32 AM] weasel [he/him]: what's good about them?
[6:32 AM] weasel [he/him]: why the hell do they exist? what's the point of them if not what they demonstrably have done?
[6:33 AM] The Impure:
>nslookup kiwifarms.net
Server: dns.google
Address: 8.8.8.8
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: kiwifarms.net
Addresses: 2606:4700:10::ac43:fe1
2606:4700:10::6816:853
2606:4700:10::6816:953 <-- no idea how to check ipv6
104.22.9.83 <-- USA IP
104.22.8.83 <-- USA IP
172.67.15.225 <-- USA IP
[6:33 AM] Mobby2001: just like any other human, they just simply exist? i guess...??????
[6:33 AM] Mobby2001: but yes, there is nothing good about them i guess
[6:34 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Honestly I would've thought the Doom community was too niche to end up on a site like that so it was very jarring to see. They would've had a field day with some of my 14-year-old self's forum freakouts...
[6:34 AM] phantombeta: The big difference is that the furry community isn't literally built around violating animals
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: hey uh
[6:34 AM] phantombeta: KF, on the other hand, is literally built on harassing people
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: https://forums.duke4.net/topic/11712-release-another-attack-part-2-weissensee
Duke4.net Forums
[RELEASE] Another Attack (Part 2): Weissensee
[6:34 AM] Muusi: Yeah it's a site where people go to laugh at internet personalities. Nothing constructive at least but as a Christorian i see the value sonewhat
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: I highly, highly recommend playing this map
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: though maybe play part 1 first
[6:34 AM] Dynamo: it's amazing
[6:35 AM] weasel [he/him]: They exist to mock people? That's good?
[6:35 AM] weasel [he/him]: Right, I'm not gonna entertain you trying to justify them to us anymore.
[6:35 AM] phantombeta: Another big difference: Most of the furry community actively shuns the people who violate animals
[6:35 AM] phantombeta: KF does not shun its users who purposefully harass people until they kill themselves
[6:35 AM] phredreeke: Impure: those are Cloudflare IPs
[6:35 AM] phantombeta: In fact, it welcomes them with open arms
[6:36 AM] Mobby2001: im sure they are, i mean look at hot wheels or whatever his name is, he created 8chan and hes disgusted by it
6:37 AM] phantombeta: KF's creator sure as hell ain't
[6:37 AM] phredreeke: There's a big fucking difference between mocking someone and driving them to suicide
[6:38 AM] phantombeta: Reminder
[6:38 AM] The Impure: Again
[6:38 AM] The Impure: Are you sure this is not because he was afraid?
[6:38 AM] The Impure: That the community "will not understand" if he tries to actually intervene
[6:38 AM] phantombeta: Because he was afraid of what?
[6:38 AM] The Impure: And will actually attack him instead
[6:39 AM] The Impure: The identity of KF's creator is well known
[6:39 AM] Muusi: He's known for turning down threats like NZ so i guess it's not about being afraid of his own community
[6:39 AM] The Impure: hm.
[6:39 AM] The Impure: Makes sense. Maybe not in that case.
[6:39 AM] phredreeke: Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he has created?
[6:40 AM] The Impure: That's... a bit different
[6:40 AM] The Impure: However it's a great idea
[6:40 AM] The Impure: I should remember
[6:40 AM] The Impure: Thanks
[6:40 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: i know god stays in heaven because he's too much of a pussy to come finish the job
[6:40 AM] Muusi: Yeah rapture or doesnt exist
[6:41 AM] phredreeke: it's a quote from a spy kids movie
[6:41 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: tfw spy kids has more intellectual depth than most movies
6:42 AM] TheMightyHeracross: I'd hardly call the quote in question "intellectually deep" lol
[6:42 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: (/s)
[6:42 AM] Muusi: Yeah gonna zip it up the next time the topic arises
[6:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: Good. Because anybody else tries to tell me "they're not THAT bad" they're getting kicked
6:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: and I know how much this paints me as some dictator, and i don't care
[6:43 AM] weasel [he/him]: i have seen the damage they cause
[6:43 AM] phantombeta: By the way
[6:43 AM] phantombeta: https://www.news.com.au/technology/...t/news-story/46d3c925ef84b24dde6194c42b3c2241
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: Some news coverage about this fuckwit's site
[6:44 AM] phantombeta:
Before he founded Kiwi Farms, Moon was sacked as an administrator for 8chan for allegedly promoting paedophilia. He is notorious for his online stalking and harassment campaigns, which have featured threats to “rape, murder and dismember” his mainly female victims.
In 2016, Moon was linked to a series of online threats to harm children in Florida, where he shares a home with his mother, forcing dozens of schools into lockdown.
[6:44 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: you're not a dictator for showing definite proof that a group of people is terrible enough that it warrants a no discussion clause
[6:44 AM] phredreeke: I think this is the third time you told us in half an hour
[6:44 AM] TheMightyHeracross: Sacked from 8chan damn!
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: Yeah Null sure isn't a pedo
[6:44 AM] Yuzu [Nyany/Nyall]: you would be if evidence didn't exist, but it does
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: suuuuuure iiiiisssssn't
[6:44 AM] TheMightyHeracross: This man is no joke
[6:44 AM] NashMuhandes: This is also the first time I ever heard of kiwifarm. Glad I don't go to these kinds of sites (not even 4chan or vr or whatever)
[6:44 AM] phantombeta: Kiwi Farms makes 4chan look fucking tame
[6:45 AM] kevansevans: my spider senses tingled and I find this convo
[6:45 AM] kevansevans: fuck KF
6:46 AM] phredreeke: Change of topic, you know how when a bee stings, its stinger breaks off its body? Well, the same thing happens to the drone bee's reproductive organ after it mates.
[6:47 AM] phantombeta: Oh by the way
[6:47 AM] phantombeta: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Joshua_Conner_Moon Dunno about the site, but this has citations for its claims
Kiwi Farms
[6:48 AM] phantombeta: (Note: this site doesn't censor slurs in things quoted)
[6:48 AM] weasel [he/him]: (Image of rationalwiki article on Wikipedia)
[6:49 AM] weasel [he/him]: If the citations look legit then you might be good
[6:49 AM] phantombeta: At least a couple of the citations are directly to archived copies of KF, so
[6:50 AM] phredreeke: "Contributors" is an interesting way to put it
[6:52 AM] phantombeta: wdym?
[6:53 AM] phredreeke: The image weasel posted
[6:53 AM] weasel [he/him]: there's more of a story in the actual wikipedia article about rationalwiki
[6:55 AM] weasel [he/him]: to paraphrase it, though, the founder of RW, a doctor of reproductive health iirc, was initially trying to edit a Conservapedia article that claimed that abortion was a cause of breast cancer - Conservapedia's administration responded by reverting the edits, eventually banning the doctor, and shutting down all debate over it
[6:56 AM] Dynamo: rationalwiki is decent from what I've seen
[6:56 AM] Dynamo: ironically, I remember using it a few years ago to read articles about a few bad things the chinese government was doing, as the site was quite critical of that govt with some citations
[6:56 AM] Dynamo: haven't used it much outside of that
[6:56 AM] phredreeke: I think conservapedia sounds stupid, but on any other wiki said contributors would be called vandals
[6:57 AM] weasel [he/him]: yeah... you'll notice Conserv's name on my screenshot is highlighted in red. That'd be the ShinigamiEyes browser extension flagging them as being transphobic or otherwise problematic
Phantombeta is the user that hates us the most that I can't help that there's a reason behind it. I saw someone mention that the russian doom community also talks about them the same way as us, confirming that indeed, ruskies are based.
Also these people are just bandwagoning. They'll forget about this and bring it up when it's relevant. But if the emulator troon is actually alive all this time which seems to be the case, I hope they realize how stupid all this was.
EDIT: Also there was a talk about this site choosing to keep the Christchurch shooting. Everyone not being allowed to share the christchurch video for some reason is 1984/globohomo-tier of insanity. Even with just the intent of sharing it for everyone to watch to see what happened is not allowed is pretty insane and there was a hint of double standards or your today's brand of evil weirdness to it. Bunch of shootouts and executions are shared over the internet, but what makes this one special that everyone should bury it? It's also regressive, history archival-wise. There's a really good reason why history and atrocities from the past are documented.
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I was hoping he's alive because I admire his work and talent, in spite of being a dork, and that's still the case, but now I also hope he's alive out of spite.
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