General GunTuber thread. - Currently focused on documenting the descent of Karl Kasarda.

[S.C.U.D.]

One could bemoan that these pieces of junk will now stop going for a $25 and a blowjob in a gas station bathroom

The people who bitch about that are the same people who don't want the Hughes Amendment repealed.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

 

[WhoBusTank69]

The people who bitch about that are the same people who don't want the Hughes Amendment repealed.

I think you've got it backwards. No collection has worth until there's a desire to own them.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I think you've got it backwards. No collection has worth until there's a desire to own them.

The reason collectors don't want the Hughes Ammendment repealed is because they realize that their collections of NFA and Class III will immediately lose value except for people interested in the stuff that has actual historical prominence. But all those MACs and Street Sweepers and every other open bolt pipe/box girder SMG is gonna lose all of it's value practically overnight.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

The reason collectors don't want the Hughes Ammendment repealed is because they realize that their collections of NFA and Class III will immediately lose value except for people interested in the stuff that has actual historical prominence. But all those MACs and Street Sweepers and every other open bolt pipe/box girder SMG is gonna lose all of it's value practically overnight.

Hence why I said that people complaining about Chinese Mystery Pistols going for actual currency are not equal to NFA collectors who would complain about NFA items being worth nothing.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Hence why I said that people complaining about Chinese Mystery Pistols going for actual currency are not equal to NFA collectors who would complain about NFA items being worth nothing.

My bad, I misunderstood your point.

 

[Blasterisk]

Hence why I said that people complaining about Chinese Mystery Pistols going for actual currency are not equal to NFA collectors who would complain about NFA items being worth nothing.

If it's like Mosins, though, what that means is the least valuable ones will be priced the same as the best/rarest because bonehead boomers can't tell the difference " 'cause it ain't made by Colt anyway."

 

[WhoBusTank69]

If it's like Mosins, though, what that means is the least valuable ones will be priced the same as the best/rarest because bonehead boomers can't tell the difference " 'cause it ain't made by Colt anyway."

Essentially. It's an opportunity to turn an uninformed purchase into gold.
But it might take a while for the mainstream to find out since, even if Ian is a prominent figure, lots of old faggots that drag out their dusty crusty collection for each gun show do not do anything apart from suck air.

 

[White Devil]

The people who lobby for the Hughes Amendment to stay just because of their precious MG investment should be tarred, feathered, and then shot. Directly trampling on the rights of a whole country just for personal gain is treason imo and should be punished as such.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

To put this thread back on the rails, I've heard lots of people complain about Ian and Othias driving up the prices of milsurp and flooding forums with retardation along the lines of "Where do I find <obsolete metric ammunition>?" and "Reloading is scary and expensive can I just buy ammo from you?" because the trust fund kids stumble onto a rare, battlefield pickup Hebelkurbelschutzengewehr 1888/11/55/69 that was featured in a video.

 

[White Devil]

To put this thread back on the rails, I've heard lots of people complain about Ian and Othias driving up the prices of milsurp and flooding forums with retardation along the lines of "Where do I find <obsolete metric ammunition>?" and "Reloading is scary and expensive can I just buy ammo from you?" because the trust fund kids stumble onto a rare, battlefield pickup Hebelkurbelschutzengewehr 1888/11/55/69 that was featured in a video.

This is true and also one of the reasons I fucking despise Ian. Milsurp world was doing bad enough because of the likes of Classic Firearms and Mitchell's Mausers before his faggot ass came along.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

They aren't entirely wrong about that but I really don't blame Ian and Othais for idiots getting in over their heads with obsolete milsurp that they don't fully understand. The same shit happens with cars and really most other hobbies, the strange, slightly obscure shit that is a sort of hidden gem gets covered and goes mainstream in the hobby and all the enthusiasts who already knew about it are now frustrated because all the good cheap stuff dries up.

Shit happens.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

They aren't entirely wrong about that but I really don't blame Ian and Othais for idiots getting in over their heads with obsolete milsurp that they don't fully understand. The same shit happens with cars and really most other hobbies, the strange, slightly obscure shit that is a sort of hidden gem gets covered and goes mainstream in the hobby and all the enthusiasts who already knew about it are now frustrated because all the good cheap stuff dries up.

Shit happens.

Well that's where it gets weird. You drag people into the obscure collector's market and, not being part of said market, they come from the side where ammunition is plentiful.
It's more with C&Rsenal than Forgotten Weapons, but people have this expectation that each of the guns have a source of ammunition because, clearly, they're firing it. When they don't stress how difficult it is to acquire it, they set that expectation that results in Steyr M95s flooding the racks because the local gunshop doesn't have a source for 8x54R anymore.
It's going to loop around to 'surp being cheap again, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are any "conversions" out there because Timmy wants his Vetterli to fire .41 Magnum rather than .41 rimfire.

 

[Mr. Confederate Man]

To all the people complaining about rising prices on obscure guns, remember to cruise out of the way pawn shops and gun stores that focus on hunting. I got a Dreyse 1907 for next to nothing because “it’s weird” and none of the deer hunters wanted it

 

[Corn Flakes]

Well that's where it gets weird. You drag people into the obscure collector's market and, not being part of said market, they come from the side where ammunition is plentiful.
It's more with C&Rsenal than Forgotten Weapons, but people have this expectation that each of the guns have a source of ammunition because, clearly, they're firing it. When they don't stress how difficult it is to acquire it, they set that expectation that results in Steyr M95s flooding the racks because the local gunshop doesn't have a source for 8x54R anymore.
It's going to loop around to 'surp being cheap again, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are any "conversions" out there because Timmy wants his Vetterli to fire .41 Magnum rather than .41 rimfire.

I'm pretty sure I've seen Othais talking fairly often about how expensive it is to run those guns and thanking the people who provide him with the ammo he fires in those demonstrations.

Besides, if some idiot bought a gun without doing their research, how is that the documentarian (because they're not your average Garand Thamb shill) who introduced them to that gun's fault? One of my first guns ever was a .44 Magnum carbine. I was a dumbass and got it without realizing none of the gun stores near me had .44 Mag at non-extortionate prices. It wasn't the fault of the guy who sold me the carbine, I was the one who didn't do my due dilligence there and I paid for it.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

I'm pretty sure I've seen Othais talking fairly often about how expensive it is to run those guns and thanking the people who provide him with the ammo he fires in those demonstrations.

Besides, if some idiot bought a gun without doing their research, how is that the documentarian (because they're not your average Garand Thamb shill) who introduced them to that gun's fault? One of my first guns ever was a .44 Magnum carbine. I was a dumbass and got it without realizing none of the gun stores near me had .44 Mag at non-extortionate prices. It wasn't the fault of the guy who sold me the carbine, I was the one who didn't do my due dilligence there and I paid for it.

I'm making an observation of the current times brought about by emerging interests, I don't mean to point fingers or push blame.
It's no coincidence that the growing popularity in weird shit is because of this research being put out there in video form and, as your example shows, there are lots of people who make impulsive buys with disposable income. The situation as a whole doesn't necessarily affect actual collectors, but it says quite a lot when the current collectible surplus rifle of choice is a fucking Carcano of all things.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Well that's where it gets weird. You drag people into the obscure collector's market and, not being part of said market, they come from the side where ammunition is plentiful.
It's more with C&Rsenal than Forgotten Weapons, but people have this expectation that each of the guns have a source of ammunition because, clearly, they're firing it. When they don't stress how difficult it is to acquire it, they set that expectation that results in Steyr M95s flooding the racks because the local gunshop doesn't have a source for 8x54R anymore.
It's going to loop around to 'surp being cheap again, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are any "conversions" out there because Timmy wants his Vetterli to fire .41 Magnum rather than .41 rimfire.

That still isn't the fault of FW or C&R though. If you as a buyer have not done your own due diligence and bought a weird old rifle because the funny youtube man has one and you think it's neat then you're the problem.

 

[ForgottenUserName]

Milsurp was better before the internet when you had to buy actual books to know your shit. It kept the normies out. Like all things, the internet ruined it.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

That still isn't the fault of FW or C&R though. If you as a buyer have not done your own due diligence and bought a weird old rifle because the funny youtube man has one and you think it's neat then you're the problem.

See, I'd accept that line of thinking when it comes to anything else, but guns are generally quite regulated; legally-defined antiques are another matter, of course, but those are generally well off. We've got a limited supply and further imports are bottlenecked by the likes of Classic and RTI(IO Inc) so there's some backstabbing thrown into the mix. It's a clusterfuck of legality in an otherwise enjoyable hobby.
I don't blame them for publishing research that nobody else bothers to do, again, but it definitely disturbs the balance in a noticeable way that they absolutely can't help.

 

[HumptiDouji]

The people who lobby for the Hughes Amendment to stay just because of their precious MG investment should be tarred, feathered, and then shot.

Tar and feathers is too old fashioned, and not excruciating enough, I have some ideas about belt sanders and iodine powder.

To put this thread back on the rails, I've heard lots of people complain about Ian and Othias driving up the prices of milsurp and flooding forums with retardation along the lines of "Where do I find <obsolete metric ammunition>?" and "Reloading is scary and expensive can I just buy ammo from you?" because the trust fund kids stumble onto a rare, battlefield pickup Hebelkurbelschutzengewehr 1888/11/55/69 that was featured in a video.

That's how it'll go, there's always going to be the clueless schmuck in your hobby. Some learn, some don't, the ones that don't tend to not stick around.

The same shit happens with cars and really most other hobbies, the strange, slightly obscure shit that is a sort of hidden gem gets covered and goes mainstream in the hobby and all the enthusiasts who already knew about it are now frustrated because all the good cheap stuff dries up.

Yeah. If anything, being able to exploit the window when something is widely considered obsolete and not valuable, before it becomes valued and collectible, is more than anything a luxury, and people should stop expecting that to last forever.
NES game cartridges went for $0.50 a piece in 2001 as retailers wanted to get rid of their stock for new games, but these days you may end up paying $30 for something that's common, and high collector prices for something that's not. Ford Model Ts were dumped without thought when they were obsoleted by newer cars, and became poorfag cars to use up because they were cheap, today an intact example is rare and expensive.

It's the way the cookie crumbles, especially with things like guns and cars, which are tools to be used, so the only part I can feel myself upset about is just people not taking care of their shit and letting it waste away horribly when some basic preventative care goes a long way.
That, and legislative faggotry,

It's going to loop around to 'surp being cheap again, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are any "conversions" out there because Timmy wants his Vetterli to fire .41 Magnum rather than .41 rimfire.

I guess we'll find out if someone grenades their Vetterli.