Autumn Neville / Puppychan / pawpawchan48 / puppkittyfan1 / Wolfertinger666 / Bunnyhazedayz / Salem - Degrading artist, perpetual victim, surrounds herself with a personal army of minors. Chaser for the trans fats, both literally and metaphorically. Tried to commit suicide via blueberry. “Pups gotta eat!” Now a with an equally obnoxious boyfriend.

[TokiBun]

Ok this is stupid. But it's driving me fucking crazy.

I'm a fat little short fuck IRL. Shorter than Salem is supposed to be. Our proportions do NOT work like that. It's so clear to me that the refs are from much taller (and thinner) characters/people, because nothing at all flags to my mind that the character is 5'3". You don't just take an average/tall body... Draw it the same... And say they're short. Our femurs are shorter. Our torsos are shorter. We carry fat differently as a result of literally having less body to pack it onto. Salem's got Lizzo (5'10") proportions, when it should be far more like fat Melissa McCarthy (5'2") proportions.

Salem has gotten taller-looking, over time. When you draw a person who is skinny, you can draw them a little stubbier to show their height without sacrificing the overall look. The reality of it is, when you're short and fat, there's a point at which things begin to look a lot less elegant and a fair bit more Michelin Man. So clearly, as Salem has gotten fatter, Salem has also gotten taller so that the overall "not too awkwardly compact, not too many rolls" look can be maintained. A 5'3" person of that mass would have rolls. They might even be bordering on "wider than they are tall". And I'm not even necessarily judging for that, is the thing! I don't give a shit if somebody's a fat sack! Me too, motherfucker! But god damn, at least draw them accurately if you're going to insist on making them fat and short???

Absent all of the other shit to talk about here which everyone else has already done, this just chafes my nuts something fierce. If you're so preoccupied with representing ReAl PeOpLe in your work, draw an actual fat short person, and not just a regular-tall person who you SAY is short. Use a fucking reference from somebody with that body type, you doofus!!

That's a really good point! If it were any other artist I'd sympathize accidentally making a character taller. Pretty easy to do when they're in a void without anyone else to compare to.

Probably a terrible idea but if she really wants to draw her actual body type she should photograph herself doing reference poses. Or find some online to study if she wasn't so lazy.

I'd harp on the guitar but I'll be honest drawing the strings is my least favorite part.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

I don't know or care enough about guitars to really care. But I feel like maybe part of the reason it comes off so bad is because pups trying to go for some form of realism. A cartoony guitar can look as basic and wonky as all hell, if you want, because that's just how that style is. But in semi realism, someone's gonna notice a fucky guitar. This goes for anatomy and everything else I think.

 

[ToxicQueef]

Ok this is stupid. But it's driving me fucking crazy.

I'm a fat little short fuck IRL. Shorter than Salem is supposed to be. Our proportions do NOT work like that. It's so clear to me that the refs are from much taller (and thinner) characters/people, because nothing at all flags to my mind that the character is 5'3". You don't just take an average/tall body... Draw it the same... And say they're short. Our femurs are shorter. Our torsos are shorter. We carry fat differently as a result of literally having less body to pack it onto. Salem's got Lizzo (5'10") proportions, when it should be far more like fat Melissa McCarthy (5'2") proportions.

Salem has gotten taller-looking, over time. When you draw a person who is skinny, you can draw them a little stubbier to show their height without sacrificing the overall look. The reality of it is, when you're short and fat, there's a point at which things begin to look a lot less elegant and a fair bit more Michelin Man. So clearly, as Salem has gotten fatter, Salem has also gotten taller so that the overall "not too awkwardly compact, not too many rolls" look can be maintained. A 5'3" person of that mass would have rolls. They might even be bordering on "wider than they are tall". And I'm not even necessarily judging for that, is the thing! I don't give a shit if somebody's a fat sack! Me too, motherfucker! But god damn, at least draw them accurately if you're going to insist on making them fat and short???

Absent all of the other shit to talk about here which everyone else has already done, this just chafes my nuts something fierce. If you're so preoccupied with representing ReAl PeOpLe in your work, draw an actual fat short person, and not just a regular-tall person who you SAY is short. Use a fucking reference from somebody with that body type, you doofus!!

Yes! Thank you! I thought this too but didn't know how to put it in to words. Salem has the proportions of someone who's like, 7 feet tall. If this creature were actually 5'3, her head would be absolutely miniscule. The average woman is between 6.5 and 7 heads tall, and based on this latest ref sheet, Salem is just over eight.
I'd honestly consider this and almost everything else people say in this thread to be nitpicks, but like, you can't champion yourself as someone who really cares about properly representing different body types and constantly jerk yourself off about what a great artist you are when your art has mistakes that are so easy to point out.

Also I just realized her feathered wing is pierced somehow? Yowch.

 

[SkinnySquidjuice]

One thing I noticed is that she always renders the references sheets of her characters, when the right thing to do would be only do the flat colors so anyone who draws the character can colorpick the colors, but Pup doesn't do that and it bothers me

I've seen people say she overuses filters and shading to hide her horrible lineart and anatomy. I definitely feel like her art wouldn't look as good without the dozens of layer filters.

 

[Inside your walls]

Autumn bitching about how people are calling Salem a caricature (she is). Of course, when she self-victimizes herself
she makes sure to let everybody know that despite her own victimization that TRANS WOMEN still suffer the most, even
more than her.

 

[BoobWhiskers]

It's so clear to me that the refs are from much taller (and thinner) characters/people, because nothing at all flags to my mind that the character is 5'3". You don't just take an average/tall body... Draw it the same... And say they're short.

Salem has the proportions of someone who's like, 7 feet tall. If this creature were actually 5'3, her head would be absolutely miniscule. The average woman is between 6.5 and 7 heads tall, and based on this latest ref sheet, Salem is just over eight.

@bellybutton exorcism thank you for saying that because honest to God, I think everyone forgot that Salem is supposed to be 5'3" despite it being right there on the ref. The fact that everything she draws is getting more and more pinheaded certainly doesn't help but yeah, nothing about the way Salem is drawn suggests she's a short character.

Classic (like Rennaissance-classic) art draws people slightly taller than they are in real life, in order to make them elegant and graceful. It's often called 'classical' or 'heroic' proportions. Superhero comics push these proportions farther, shoujo manga like Sailor Moon (taking inspo from fashion illustration) further still.

Salem is drawn like a fat Barbie, who only DOESNT look freakishly tall because they size the head way out of proportion to compensate. Not 5'3". Lol.

 

[ToxicQueef]

I've seen people say she overuses filters and shading to hide her horrible lineart and anatomy. I definitely feel like her art wouldn't look as good without the dozens of layer filters.

It absolutely would not. She's been using the same watercolor overlay since she first started the account, and has completely relied on it to give her art the illusion of texture. Meanwhile she doesn't actually know how to render anything differently. Skin, hair, fur, fabric and metal may as well all be the same material in Autumn's art.

 

[TokiBun]

I don't know or care enough about guitars to really care. But I feel like maybe part of the reason it comes off so bad is because pups trying to go for some form of realism. A cartoony guitar can look as basic and wonky as all hell, if you want, because that's just how that style is. But in semi realism, someone's gonna notice a fucky guitar. This goes for anatomy and everything else I think.

That explains why her FA art looked a little better. It wasn't trying to be realistic. Probably over correcting and coping from the end of her Twitter days.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I remember she used to draw more art of tall women furries to drool over. I think she doesn't know how to make a heavy furry without disorting the size of the head to giantress proportions.

 

[Tetopettenson]

I don't know or care enough about guitars to really care. But I feel like maybe part of the reason it comes off so bad is because pups trying to go for some form of realism. A cartoony guitar can look as basic and wonky as all hell, if you want, because that's just how that style is. But in semi realism, someone's gonna notice a fucky guitar. This goes for anatomy and everything else I think.

this omg. looking at a lot of her older stuff puppys always kinda sucked at drawing guitars

Spoiler: notably bad examples

but she used to be decent at making it work for her style

Spoiler: notably decent examples

like if i had to point out something weird in each of these pieces it would probably be the legs before the guitars. but nowadays its so much more noticeable just how bad puppy is at drawing guitars (or really any props lol) because she tries to make them look more realistic than she knows how to

 

[Len Kagamine]

The head is the worst part to me, no matter how tall you are it's freakishly small. I'm also short and if Salem was a real life physical person with those proportions, I'm pretty sure most people could wrap their hand fully around that tiny ass pin head and twist it off like an orange. It would legitimately be terrifying to look at irl.

 

[Mistake Island]

Ok this is stupid. But it's driving me fucking crazy.

I'm a fat little short fuck IRL. Shorter than Salem is supposed to be. Our proportions do NOT work like that. It's so clear to me that the refs are from much taller (and thinner) characters/people, because nothing at all flags to my mind that the character is 5'3". You don't just take an average/tall body... Draw it the same... And say they're short. Our femurs are shorter. Our torsos are shorter. We carry fat differently as a result of literally having less body to pack it onto. Salem's got Lizzo (5'10") proportions, when it should be far more like fat Melissa McCarthy (5'2") proportions.

Salem has gotten taller-looking, over time. When you draw a person who is skinny, you can draw them a little stubbier to show their height without sacrificing the overall look. The reality of it is, when you're short and fat, there's a point at which things begin to look a lot less elegant and a fair bit more Michelin Man. So clearly, as Salem has gotten fatter, Salem has also gotten taller so that the overall "not too awkwardly compact, not too many rolls" look can be maintained. A 5'3" person of that mass would have rolls. They might even be bordering on "wider than they are tall". And I'm not even necessarily judging for that, is the thing! I don't give a shit if somebody's a fat sack! Me too, motherfucker! But god damn, at least draw them accurately if you're going to insist on making them fat and short???

Absent all of the other shit to talk about here which everyone else has already done, this just chafes my nuts something fierce. If you're so preoccupied with representing ReAl PeOpLe in your work, draw an actual fat short person, and not just a regular-tall person who you SAY is short. Use a fucking reference from somebody with that body type, you doofus!!

Thank you for making me realize what was bothering me about Salem's ref sheet! Salem's head is way too fucking small compared to her body. Even if she wasn't 5'3 her head size still looks super fucked up.

On top of that, I don't think she knows what focal point is, at least not anymore. For portrait/character art, the focal point is always the head and face. That's why artists don't make their character heads super fucking small. It's like a child-sized head on a fully grown body.

 

[SkinnySquidjuice]

She's such a chaser; if anyone else who said this wasn't trans, they would be flamed for it. But because autumn is totally a real boy, she's allowed to say whatever she wants and that includes fetishizing trans people. Her comment weirded out someone, but Autumn is a bitch about it, she can't ever talk to someone who disagrees with her in a calm/casual manner. I don't know, something about the way she's responding makes me think she's pissed lol.

I tried seeing if anyone else said anything about the same post on her tumblr (cause Autumn can't help herself crossposting even the most useless posts on tumblr and bluesky), but I only found this retarded comment. The user is a troon and suicide baits like autumn, and they seem to have mutuals who are minors, which is concerning, considering they reblog Autumn's posts and art, not to mention, they literally reblogged some e-begging whore selling their nudes. Wow. Again, how does Autumn manage to attract such a retarded audience? Is it because she's openly disabled herself and shouts out about how much she loves "higher needs" disabled people?? It's such a weird phenomenon.




Edit:
Someone notified her that she's following an artist who drew feral porn of a horse. I took a look at their account and their art looks quite disgusting. She'll probably bitch and moan about how much "normies hate kinky queer marginalized poc people!1!1!1"


Edit 2:
Of course, she blocked and deleted the posts. Remember, during her Twitter days, she would brag and draw about how much she hated and wanted to kill MAPs and zoophiles? Now she's buddies with them, considering she defends people like Fr4nkie (who's an open MAP supporter) and that one artist who drew snuff porn of a 12 year old character. Now she's fine with people drawing feral art. I don't know, even if it is drawn/fictional art of animal genitalia, it's still weird and disturbing that you're willing to be mutuals with people who jack off to animal genitalia. At this point, can someone please just send her the shitty art she drew of herself burning up the MAP and zoophile flags? It would be funny if someone ever did, I bet she would have a meltdown saying she was groomed into hating radqueer/proqueer or rather, "kinky queer" people lol.

Uh oh... feral art or pedophillia or "rape coded" art might be coming soon. I am not looking forward to seeing a poorly drawn salem being assaulted and autumn glazing herself over her own shitty art.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

She's such a chaser; if anyone else who said this wasn't trans, they would be flamed for it. But because autumn is totally a real boy, she's allowed to say whatever she wants and that includes fetishizing trans people. Her comment weirded out someone, but Autumn is a bitch about it, she can't ever talk to someone who disagrees with her in a calm/casual manner. I don't know, something about the way she's responding makes me think she's pissed lol.
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I tried seeing if anyone else said anything about the same post on her tumblr (cause Autumn can't help herself crossposting even the most useless posts on tumblr and bluesky), but I only found this retarded comment. The user is a troon and suicide baits like autumn, and they seem to have mutuals who are minors, which is concerning, considering they reblog Autumn's posts and art, not to mention, they literally reblogged some begging whore selling their nudes. Wow. Again, how does Autumn manage to attract such a retarded audience? Is it because she's openly disabled herself and shouts out about how much she loves "higher needs" disabled people?? It's such a weird phenomenon.
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this is why we need a laugh react. i need to omegalul to this.

 

[Unhindered Clown]

I don't know, something about the way she's responding makes me think she's pissed lol.

For all the language-policing Autumn does, god forbid someone does it back to her lmfao. Rule for thee not for meeeee!

 

[lawofkissa18]

“unless they kill a nigga or harm a child or anyone irl dont bother me abt this shit”

legit im so sick of autumn using that fucking excuse of “unless theyre harming a child” BECAUSE THEY ARE !!!!! SHE HANGS AROUND PEOPLE THATS DIRECTLY HARMING CHILDREN !!!!!!! HOLY FUCK ! her lack of self awareness is making me go crazy

 

[ToxicQueef]

Jesus H christ, "furry porn but icky furry porn" say the word autumn, say the fucking word. Feral porn, it was FERAL. If you never specify what you're okay with, people are going to keep bringing this shit up to you. I can't tell if she's just being disingenuous as fuck (because feral porn crosses the line for a lot of people, even furries) or she's just unbelievably stupid. or both.
I don't even care that she engages with maps or zoophiles because I don't care about autumn, but god is it annoying how she lies by omission about this shit every single time, deletes all evidence, then gets shocked and annoyed when someone tries to tattle to her again.

It's like pulling teeth with this retard; just like how she dug her heels in and refused to ever add "18+" to her twitter bio, she will never ever come clean with all the weird shit she's actually into, no matter how many "rent-lowering gun shots" she claims to fire.

And gotta love how she throws in the "people treat fictional characters like they have more rights than real humans" BS as if being informed she follows someone who drew feral porn is a violation of her human rights

 

[SoleniyKraut]

Puppy always kinda sucked at drawing

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

No surprise that th cats out of the bag she's revealing her true colors.

Also here's something my friend made apparently this was in response to wis sperging about Sawyer.

 

[The Revenant]

She keeps talking about how she NEEDS to make that "rent lowering gunshot" adjacent art, but I can almost guarantee she won't. Either she won't or it'll be something incredibly tame that she thinks is totally extreme for no reason.

For someone who gets so anal about what other people think of her/follower count, I feel like she wouldn't want to risk losing followers and getting into drama from her shitty pedophilia rape art.