Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Own]

Kelsey just said in this thread he was fine with Ernst posting all the DMs he likes.
If what you're saying is true, all we have to do now is sit back and wait.

This is embarrassing. Doug isn't a Kiwi but @Kelsey is right here.

Kelsey is talking shit, not Doug.

Kelsey has the DM's.

Kelsey says he has Doug's consent to drop them.

What Kelsey doesn't have is the testicles to back his mewling with the 'proof' he pretends to have.

Kelsey needs to nut up or shut up. So far all he's contributed to this thread is useless A-logging against his EVIL NEMISISS ... Doug Ernst.

Kelsey is a chump.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

@Kelsey I heard Frog might publish something of yours under All Caps, give us an elevator pitch of what you're working on. I don't particularly care about the old Earnst news.

 

[jspit2.0]

So Newman's is complaining about "a whisper campaign clearly engineered by Kelsey's boss" while you're here extolling Doug Ernst's willingness to take his personal problems "behind the scenes" as opposed to airing out these grievances publicly. Which is it? I'm not going to debate two a-logs with diametrically opposite positions.

I don't personally care about Doug Earnst (sorry). I do care Kelsey coming in here talking about old shit and not current stuff.

@Kelsey , just how much money do you get off the Wal-Mart deal to defend Mitch still not having his book in backers hands? Why did you freak out when @FROG talked about it?

Oof.

Nassar at least has brought the goods.

It's okay, Nassar. You've brought us lulz and joy with your dm dropping and we love you for it.

Agreed. Don't come in here mooing without the goods.

 

[Analog Devolved]

@Kelsey with Mitch before and after joining Kiwi Farms.

 

[Kelsey]

I really don't care about Doug. You guys were talking about it. I came on here to correct something being said about me. Mister Dongs showed me that I was wrong and I had a laugh. That was it.

If I want to call Doug a fuck nut, I don't need a reason.

I make a page rate from the book I work on . As a kid that bought his first comics in a store, I believe in Mitch's idea to get books back out to the general public.

I'm not happy that Rooster isn't in the hands of the backers yet, but what am I supposed to do about it? All I know is that it's being printed and shipped.

He's my boss, I'm not his.

I don't remember going public and saying anything about Doug. Mister Dongs? Am I miss remembering that too? I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, if you can show me.

Beyond that, I've been watching this thread for years. I'm here for the laughs same as everybody else.

 

[Greed]

Beyond that, I've been watching this thread for years. I'm here for the laughs same as everybody else.

It's been a fun past few weeks, that's for sure.

 

[Absurdity]

So Newman's is complaining about "a whisper campaign clearly engineered by Kelsey's boss" while you're here extolling Doug Ernst's willingness to take his personal problems "behind the scenes" as opposed to airing out these grievances publicly. Which is it? I'm not going to debate two a-logs with diametrically opposite positions.

I'm not sure we differ all that much in this case, but I can only give you my word we aren't of one hive mind out to ruin Ethan's precious oasis of printed money.

As I see it, the only reason it even started as a whisper campaign was because the optics at the time weren't favorable enough to carry it into a full blown campaign, the spark for which was fanned up by Frog. You might be able to blame Doug if it was him doing the ghosting and the avoidance. He had a problem and he wanted to resolve privately. This was essentially denied him and instead of rolling up an account here or endlessly sperging about it, which would have played directly into the hands of the Rooster-Frog coalition, he let it go. But no bones remain buried in CG. It was unfinished business and for Frog, a former heavyweight champ always scrounging for a back alley scuffle to give himself a quick ego boost, thought he might get an easy meal from the bones of that old betrayal to his Scivergate brand... even though it was supposed to have moved on from the Breitweisers.

When Ethan isn't busy throwing himself in the middle of crap he doesn't need to, he's throwing someone else in with him. Then comes the loyalty shit-testing for those who dare criticize him. Of course it's a factory for cranking out his own enemies which in turn get fed back into the drama hype machine which then bolster an IP that at its core is a mediocre offering but a masterpiece next to milkshake Marvel. Fortunately for EVS, it just so happened that right when the last of the old guard SJWs became irrelevant, their replacements were all ready to go with a new cast of ex-CG villains labeled now merely as "anti-comicsgate". And almost all of them were at one time full recruits of OG CG 2017-2020 (RIP).

Every passing month it becomes more obvious that this whole enterprise is centered around Ethan's ability to turn his associates into sideshows or enemies in the most publically humiliating and personally beneficial ways possible.

As for Kelsey, let him unboomer/sober himself up long enough to produce more than a threat of proof that won't increase his blood alcohol level.

 

[jspit2.0]

I really don't care about Doug.

Same

You guys were talking about it.

Huh? Oh, yeah. Newman was I guess.

I came on here to correct something being said about me. Mister Dongs showed me that I was wrong and I had a laugh. That was it.

Cool, cool.

If I want to call Doug a fuck nut, I don't need a reason.

Nope, This is the Farms. Your free to slap your butt and peacock. Frog was getting to where he did every other day for awhile.

I make a page rate from the book I work on.

So they don't do profit participation? Thanks for the info. I had heard that was the deal on a livestream a couple of years ago and guess it wasn't the case then.

I'm not happy that Rooster isn't in the hands of the backers yet, but what am I supposed to do about it? All I know is that it's being printed and shipped.

Would you agree that until Mitch fulfills the campaign, its going to be relevant?

I guess what I want to ask you, is this the mainstream 2.0 where you expect the cone of silence?

Beyond that, I've been watching this thread for years. I'm here for the laughs same as everybody else.

As should we all. Welcome.

It's been a fun past few weeks, that's for sure.

Boy has it ever. I just hope we don't hit a circle jerk where they all hug or some faggy shit.

I'm not sure we differ all that much in this case, but I can only give you my word we aren't of one hive mind out to ruin Ethan's precious oasis of printed money.

probably would change the we if your trying to prove you aren't the Borg?

As I see it, the only reason it even started as a whisper campaign was because the optics at the time weren't favorable enough to carry it into a full blown campaign, the spark for which was fanned up by Frog.

I mean, if Frog did that it'd have been smart? It's not as impossible, deflecting bad press with controversy has been the go to for CG at the time.

Either way this all old new. Neither Newman or you or me or anyone is bringing anything new to the table. Until then its boring.

I actually feel bad for Ethan, a rare occurrence, because Mitch put him into a terrible spot on the whole thing.

Every passing month it becomes more obvious that this whole enterprise is centered around Ethan's ability to turn his associates into sideshows or enemies in the most publically humiliating and personally beneficial ways possible.

They tend to do that often times to themselves. Wascampaign, Nerkish, and Mike S Miller have more or less imploded. We're down to Preston, who may somehow pull himself at of his current death spiral, Doug Tennapel, and the human cartoon of Liam Grey.

 

[Newman's Own]

Huh? Oh, yeah. Newman was I guess.

Was I?

Last I was talking about Ernst's issues was mid January, a month and a half ago when new DM's surfaced. Kelsey obviously wanted to talk about Ernst because he started reeeeing about him out of the gate.

If he wants to fling feces like a chimp someone should ask him to provide the DM's or it's just bitching.

Either way this all old new. Neither Newman or you or me or anyone is bringing anything new to the table. Until then its boring.

We have a brand new Kiwi who claims to have the goods and is threatening to share. That's not boring unless it's all tease and no happy ending.

Kelsey's first post bringing up Ernst got 17 impressions so it would seem that old news or not there is some interest in what he has to bring to the table.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I don't remember going public and saying anything about Doug. Mister Dongs? Am I miss remembering that too? I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, if you can show me.

Nah all I had was the one drunk stream, from a video posted by Rumble Terrier on twitter some years back. Like nearly everyone else here, I don't really care about Ernst either. That's more Newman's oeurve . According to him, Ernst wants to drop the DMs that will prove how wronged he was but was waiting on permission from you which you now gave. We'll just have to wait and see.

As I see it, the only reason it even started as a whisper campaign was because the optics at the time weren't favorable enough to carry it into a full blown campaign, the spark for which was fanned up by Frog. You might be able to blame Doug if it was him doing the ghosting and the avoidance. He had a problem and he wanted to resolve privately. This was essentially denied him and instead of rolling up an account here or endlessly sperging about it, which would have played directly into the hands of the Rooster-Frog coalition, he let it go. But no bones remain buried in CG.

To use an analogue, I feel about Doug Ernst leaving over some slapfight with Kelsey Shannon the same way I feel about Mistress Roulette announcing she's quitting Comicsgate 3 days before her first campaign (Hunting Alice) launches with DarkGift Comics in a now deleted tweet thread yesterday, all because various Comicsgate jackanapes couldn't resist making pegging jokes. Also it turns out that the enlightened neutrality espoused by DarkGift is in fact not advisable if anybody actually cares what where you stand or what you do (so, not DarkGift).

https://archive.md/sNhNc

Were people (me included) in the wrong for cracking jokes at the situation? Possibly. But if this was enough to get someone to ragequit Comicsgate, if it wasn't this it would have been something else. So it's no big loss.

 

[Newman's Own]

That's more Newman's oeurve . According to him, Ernst wants to drop the DMs that will prove how wronged he was but was waiting on permission from you which you now gave.

I don't have a window into Doug's head and I never said anything of the sort.

I said Kelsey should drop the DM's that back his shit talk. I don't expect he will. Kelsey makes a lot of noise but very little sense.

 

[Mister Dongs]

I don't have a window into Doug's head and I never said anything of the sort.

Doug tried to settle things, got attacked publicly then offered to share the DM's if Mitch, Ethan or @Kelsey had the sack.

Oh okay.

 

[Newman's Own]

Oh okay.

I gathered all that from Ernst's statements in tweets and videos.

Paying attention is not mind reading.

Edit: Doug offered to layout all the DM's in a livestream with any of the people spreading rumors about him to clear the air.

That was when Mitch started the shit show. I don't know how Ernst feels about sharing those DM's now but if Kelsey's telling the truth he's not worried about him dropping them.

 

[Unverified]

Mistress Roulette announcing she's quitting Comicsgate 3 days before her first campaign (Hunting Alice) launches with DarkGift Comics

Oh, this was a real thing that was going to happen? Wow. I don't pay much attention to Dark Gift, as he's not very interesting to me (and I commend you, Mister Dongs, for your omnipresence and cataloguing of CG events). I do remember there being some rumblings shortly after the pegging stuff came out where some people wanted to have a talk with his ex, but I believe that was Liam/Oz. I'm shocked that this Roulette lady actually somehow got brought into the CG fold. Not entirely sure why she thought she could have both a career in Hollywood and an association with CG, though.

I will say -- and this will sound somewhat heartless and anti-creative -- that one of the unfortunate or rather double-sided results of ComicsGate as a whole has been the propagation of the idea that anyone and everyone could/should create a comic book. This results in a few things.

First, there's the people who clearly don't give two shits about comics but want to cash in on the CG audience while the money is still pouring in. In this category you've got people like Martina Markota, Daym Drops, and I'm assuming Mistress Roulette (though I know nothing about her; maybe she's the world's biggest Marvel fan or something). These come off as projects that are in no way driven by passion or love for comic books, which tends to frustrate me.

Second, you've got people that just wouldn't have any hope of a career in comics regardless of the state of the industry. Those who really have no talent or skill, but are carried by the good will and kindness of the community, mostly. I'd use Phil Diaz as the primary example here. I consider him to be the worst writer in CG overall. Magic Cop was awful, with its poor quality only compounded by Phil's brother Brandon's abysmal artwork. However, believing in second chances, I decided to back The Lost Pages. Lord almighty, what a mistake. I nearly went apoplectic trying to read that dreck. That being said, Phil and Brandon seem like nice dudes and they remain in CG's good graces by basically just being normal. I have no issues with them as individuals, but their work is some of the worst to come out of CG. I would also toss Adam Post in this category, as he brings nothing to the table and the College of the Dead books are complete dogshit, as I've noted in this thread before. I'm not sure how closely he involves himself with the scripting and art direction of those books, but it's clear that he really has no clue what he is doing, despite his tenured career in comics. Mandy Summers and Peter Gilmore are also among these ranks, as I know people here have realized. This category of creators is certainly the largest of those I'm outlining and contributes the most to the overwhelming crowding of the CG marketplace that we're seeing. Lots of failed or underperforming campaigns also come from people who lack talent like those mentioned here, but additionally lack the reach or CG clout that some of these people have. For those, there's basically no hope.

Third, you get the classic "competent artist who thinks he can also write." This one is especially painful, as there are some rather talented artists in CG that simply don't have the good sense to hire a proper writer to help with their book (or a goddamn editor, but that's a near-universal issue in CG). I attribute this partially to a sense of pride, but also to a burgeoning anti-writer sentiment that I've noticed from big guys like Jon Malin and Shane Davis. Your ability to draw does not make you a necessarily competent storyteller. Good examples here are Vinnie Tartamella and Preston Acevedo. Vinnie's first crowdfund offering, City of Venus, was a mainstay of my "top 5 worst CG books" until somewhat recently. It just has nothing going for it on the writing side of things. The art is fantastic, as Vinnie's usually is (though he's got a serious sameface problem), so it's a shame to see it wasted like that. Preston Acevedo's art is pretty solid as well, but Doc Salem was borderline unreadable. It may have one of the highest error counts I've seen in CG books, along with dialogue that doesn't flow at all. An absolute chore to read and an instant buyer's remorse if I've ever felt one. Despite what people want to believe, not anyone can write. It pains me to see artists encouraged to write their own books simply because they can draw. You'll see the JACK show crew try to urge Anna into creating a comic occasionally, but that girl can barely string together a coherent English sentence if you've seen her "write-ups" for those character fixes she sometimes does on twitter. But she'd hit $200k minimum if she actually did put out a book, bad as it may be.

Now, I said this is a double-sided result of ComicsGate because you also occasionally (read: extremely rarely) get someone exceptionally talented that may not have started creating comics if not for the CG scene and community. I think Charlie Snogans is a pretty good example here, as I recall him saying that he was mostly stuck doing logos and other graphic design and he feels really liberated in being able to draw comics. That guy was absolutely born to draw comics, so I'm glad that CG can allow people like him to actually flex their creativity. And of course, anyone is allowed to try their hand at crowdfunding and see what works. If they can make money, that's great. I'm not suggesting that any of these creators should stop trying to make money in comics. Just calling out poor quality where I find it. I'm not under the impression that CG is a meritocracy (I actually believe a meritocracy is impossible in a creative field to begin with), so of course poor books can find great success and excellent books can fail. We see it all the time. Anyways, I definitely strayed from my original point here with this rant, but I get frustrated by a lot of the books I receive and I've gotta air this shit somewhere. Thanks for reading my blog. Feel free to hit me with those autism tags.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Good examples here are Vinnie Tartamella and Preston Acevedo. Vinnie's first crowdfund offering, City of Venus, was a mainstay of my "top 5 worst CG books" until somewhat recently.

In your opinion what are some of the best and worst books of CG? You mentioned that City of Venus was one of them and articulated why fairly well, I'm curious what others you've backed that you feel are subpar.

Anyways, I definitely strayed from my original point here with this rant, but I get frustrated by a lot of the books I receive and I've gotta air this shit somewhere. Thanks for reading my blog. Feel free to hit me with those autism tags.

I enjoy hearing what other people say about Comicsgate books, especially ones I haven't backed. Kiwifarms affords you a place where you can be honest and candid about certain creators and books without getting labelled "anti-CG" or something else retarded just because you think Iron Sights was a complete and utter piece of shit.

 

[Pilule Noire]

Thanks for reading my blog. Feel free to hit me with those autism tags.

Call that an autism post??

@Kelsey, you old shagger, welcome! Not to immediately 'grill' you with sperg matters, but where do you stand on the Malinian Proposition that Rob Liefeld is a great artist?

I know @FROG has distanced himself from these controversial statements by Malin, though they both still jack furiously to Todd McFarlane, and I believe you do too, despite the hilarious reality-based fact that Todd himself carefully ignores Comicsgate while jacking furiously to the storytelling skills of hated anti-CG supervillain, Doug TenNapel. (Who is still the leading Doug in anti-CG currently, though with hot competition from your pal, Doug Ernst, and also The Man Who Shot Cyberfrog With An Actual Gun, Doug Garret)

So Kelsey, as somebody who struggled to recall the name of legend-tier artist Enki Bilal in that Richard Friend stream the other day, should I consider you to be from the Malinian school of art? The Malinian Murcan school of comic art?

(You live out there don't you, out there in the savage barbarian lands, where wild-eyed hicks chuckle over the bullet-riddled carcasses of uppity metal frog comics)

Or are you more honest and wise, more cosmopolitan and broad-/fair-minded, like our forum favourite @TheCosmicWarrior, who joins us in agreement that the Image stuff was crap and Eurocomics are just objectively better?

And please don't go the Fraga route of trying to humanize Liefeld, saying stuff like, 'Oh he's my friend now, we've hugged and kissed and made up, even though he punched me in the face when I was a kid after saying that I stink.'

I don't need a whole redemptive biographical tale of Liefeld. This is just a simple, direct question, is Rob Liefeld a great artist? Is he 'one of the greats', as Malin purports him to be? Yes or no?

Your answer WILL determine not only how highly I hold you in esteem, but it will also say a lot about your fate as an artist and career potential, in my opinion.

CHOOSE WELL! And if you like, explain your answer.

I mean you're quick to say fuck this, fuck that, but will you say fuck IMAGE? Fuck that bullshit?

Personally I think it's a downright cosmic incident of truly wizard hilarity, that the greatest thing Image Comics ever handed down to future comics artists, is BLANK PAPER! That's the stuff that is legendary and priceless, spoken of in hushed awe by comic artists to this day! Fraga even took payment for jobs with it, that amazing blank Image paper.

BLANK paper is that greatest and most precious thing Image Comics ever produced!!! LMMFAO!

None of them should even have drawn a single thing! They should have held onto the blank paper, and then just sold it on to better artists, who could then actually use that paper to making something good! Aaaahahahaha, man it's funny.

I mean it's so funny, that I don't even understand how anyone could NOT find it funny. I guess maybe if they're an Image fanboi, like Malin, they might get a bit tetchy about it. But it's so funny! The BLANK paper is the most valuable legacy of the Image Revolution. The BLANK paper! Ha ha hah!

America should send all that leftover blank Image paper to Europe, to Enki Bilal. Then he might put pictures on it and send it back to America, and then America will finally get to see what actual genuine comic art looks like!

For comparison, Bilal:

Liefeld:

And Bilal again:

And Liefeld again.

 

[Rupin]

Call that an autism post??
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@Kelsey, you old shagger, welcome! Not to immediately 'grill' you with sperg matters, but where do you stand on the Malinian Proposition that Rob Liefeld is a great artist?

I know @FROG has distanced himself from these controversial statements by Malin, though they both still jack furiously to Todd McFarlane, and I believe you do too, despite the hilarious reality-based fact that Todd himself carefully ignores Comicsgate while jacking furiously to the storytelling skills of hated anti-CG supervillain, Doug TenNapel. (Who is still the leading Doug in anti-CG currently, though with hot competition from your pal, Doug Ernst, and also The Man Who Shot Cyberfrog With An Actual Gun, Doug Garret)

So Kelsey, as somebody who struggled to recall the name of legend-tier artist Enki Bilal in that Richard Friend stream the other day, should I consider you to be from the Malinian school of art? The Malinian Murcan school of comic art?

(You live out there don't you, out there in the savage barbarian lands, where wild-eyed hicks chuckle over the bullet-riddled carcasses of uppity metal frog comics)

Or are you more honest and wise, more cosmopolitan and broad-/fair-minded, like our forum favourite @TheCosmicWarrior, who joins us in agreement that the Image stuff was crap and Eurocomics are just objectively better?

And please don't go the Fraga route of trying to humanize Liefeld, saying stuff like, 'Oh he's my friend now, we've hugged and kissed and made up, even though he punched me in the face when I was a kid after saying that I stink.'

I don't need a whole redemptive biographical tale of Liefeld. This is just a simple, direct question, is Rob Liefeld a great artist? Is he 'one of the greats', as Malin purports him to be? Yes or no?

Your answer WILL determine not only how highly I hold you in esteem, but it will also say a lot about your fate as an artist and career potential, in my opinion.

CHOOSE WELL! And if you like, explain your answer.

I mean you're quick to say fuck this, fuck that, but will you say fuck IMAGE? Fuck that bullshit?

Personally I think it's a downright cosmic incident of truly wizard hilarity, that the greatest thing Image Comics ever handed down to future comics artists, is BLANK PAPER! That's the stuff that is legendary and priceless, spoken of in hushed awe by comic artists to this day! Fraga even took payment for jobs with it, that amazing blank Image paper.

BLANK paper is that greatest and most precious thing Image Comics ever produced!!! LMMFAO!

None of them should even have drawn a single thing! They should have held onto the blank paper, and then just sold it on to better artists, who could then actually use that paper to making something good! Aaaahahahaha, man it's funny.

I mean it's so funny, that I don't even understand how anyone could NOT find it funny. I guess maybe if they're an Image fanboi, like Malin, they might get a bit tetchy about it. But it's so funny! The BLANK paper is the most valuable legacy of the Image Revolution. The BLANK paper! Ha ha hah!

America should send all that leftover blank Image paper to Europe, to Enki Bilal. Then he might put pictures on it and send it back to America, and then America will finally get to see what actual genuine comic art looks like!

For comparison, Bilal:
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Liefeld:
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And Bilal again:
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And Liefeld again.
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The faces look like mummified corpses in Liefeld’s second pic.

 

[boofit]

Realized it's been quite a while since I checked out a Boring Zack vid so I just watched the latest (ZERO PIPELINE- Splatto Comics Is Bringing ALL Fulfillment Back In-House)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43ysFhK7DAU

If somebody told me he is an adderall junkie I"d believe it. This is turning out to be quite the shitshow. Very disturbing signals.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Realized it's been quite a while since I checked out a Boring Zack vid so I just watched the latest (ZERO PIPELINE- Splatto Comics Is Bringing ALL Fulfillment Back In-House)

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

If somebody told me he is an adderall junkie I"d believe it. This is turning out to be quite the shitshow. Very disturbing signals.

Care to give the thread a Dongesque recap?

EDIT: nevermind, perhaps the URL was broken.

TLDR - Zack is moving away from his fulfillment service and will be fulfilling Grand Bizarre, The Expendables and Impossible Stars himself ensuring that the comics will be delivered even later and possibly covered in chili burrito sauce. Zack also loves hotdogs, he can't leave the house without getting a hotdog, even if his mouth is numb from the dentist. He claims that the fulfillment of Lost Souls cost him close to $80,000 and now he can follow the Pullido model of doing it all himself, despite the fact that Pullido has his own staff that handle fulfillment. Zack can also now follow Doug TenNapels example by offering nice looking boxes, that will probably end up in landfill after being destroyed in transit. Something about SJW comic tweets, before forgetting what his next video will be.

 

[boofit]

EDIT: nevermind, perhaps the URL was broken.

Thanks, edited. Somehow the link got mangled.
The change is subtle. First is was all dorky and fun, that's changing into something different. For instance around the 5 minute mark.