Infected #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

TheLaughingMan

Mocking the "Bitch Made"
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I'm a celebrity to you? Holy fuck.

I do a YouTube show. ComicsGate as an event has impacted my life more than anyone's except Zack or Jon Malin. I do a YouTube show about it, and I've built the biggest audience and the biggest channel in the movement. Every stupid Leftist news article about ComicsGate from the past two years has chosen to lie about me along with Zack and Malin.

So I didn't co-opt anything. It's been very natural. This is a consumer lead movement, and consumers are choosing to listen to me over anyone else right now. I wish "OG CG" wasn't hypocritical about The Customer Always Being Right.

Sorry I'm popular, Dave!

And the movement is fine. I love the narrative that a handful of Evangelical creators "leaving" means "a hard fall" to you, but we'll still selling books and building alternatives to the Direct Market and the mainstream. We survived the entire mainstream comic industry trying to destroy us. We'll survive Doug TenNapel and Edwin Boyette.



Holy shit, the autism.

"Turkey Neck" was created by Praetorian a year ago to torture Sashi. He disliked her because he felt she was anti-semitic for hanging out with Nerkish in that Discord. I didn't even know about it until all of his DMs were released.

Looks like two months ago, at 2 AM, when Sashi was posting shit about me, I broke out Praetorian's nickname for her has a jab, and promptly forgot.

So LITERALLY you are correct. One time very recently I ironically called Sashi Turkey Neck because she was talking shit.

Congrats, exceptional individual.
Yeah, Eehee, only an "EVSJW" resorts to a very old and lame comeback like that. You truly are "bitch made" and I just laugh at how pathetic you are. You expect others to apologize and you try to accuse them of lying, but when you are caught in your actual lies, "It was so and so's fault". Just so "manly" of you to blame everyone else. Nah, it's a very bitch made and true sign of a coward maneuver.
 

TheSoutherStar

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You chastise Nerkish for being FORMERLY associated with a discord full of mostly facetious "spicy memes"...
...meanwhile you've gone on the Ralph Retort which has conducted straightforward and supportive interviews with Richard Spencer, Andrew Anglin, and many other literal Neo-Nazis/fascists.
You're criticizing Ethan for policing Nerkish here.

*Why doesn't Richard Meyer ever say anything about this? Because he's a pussy. Or because he's so fucking oblivious that he doesn't realize Ethan is leading harassment campaigns against his talent.
While criticizing Zack for NOT policing ethan here.

Honestly, who cares if they police each other? they are grown adults who can make decisions and defend themselves. If your point is ethan is a hypocrite for throwing guilt by association then that's plain wrong as nerkish was in no way being blamed as guilty by ethan. The more apt description to what ethan did was concern trolling and moralfagging.
 

Adamska

Last Gunman
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I just think that getting into slapfights on the internet for drama views makes you, the full grown man, look like a sad teenage girl, and thus massively fucking embarrassing. Be it Ethan, the Alt-right cuck, or DarksydeLonestar man.

It's why the only guy I fully respect is Zack; man knows his priorities as a comic creator and has the workman attitude for it.
 

Jetpack Himmler

Grizzled Culture War Veteran
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DC are conceding to the writing on the wall and pivoting early to become a boutique brand for discerning customers to accommodate what the market is evolving into.
I suspect their marketing strategy going forward will be quaterly graphic novels of carefully curaited IP's for the niche audience that comics seems destined to become. They will also pump out supermarket isle trash for kids who might level up and become fans of their Black Label botique brand, but mostly they'll pump that shit out there just to maintain brand awareness as a marketing strategy,
That's how DC currently sees the future of comics folks. Sadly, they're not wrong.
Despite that, I still see DC as being run by some very exceptional people. It puzzles me how Dan DiDio or some other "genius" in their hiring department thought that Brian Michael Bendis was going to be a huge draw. Superman and Action Comics are performing more or less the same as they did during the Tomasi/Jurgens runs, if not worse from what I understand. He basically killed Super-Sons, a fairly popular title, because he wanted the whole Superman family.

Now he has dug his hands into Legion of Super-Heroes. A property that has not been seen regular publication since 2013--and was largely absent from Rebirth because of the drama with Geoff Johns and Doomsday Clock. Again, it mystifies me how Bendis got the assignment and let him reboot it for the fourth or fifth time. I bought the first issue and it's trash. Not even Ryan Sook's art can save it. With DiDio calling the shots, I expect nonstop retcons and reboots until what few fans remain throw their hands up and walk away.

I don't know if DC's Black Label is truly foresight on their part, or bumbling into a market where they found a niche.
 

Elwood P. Dowd

Gone Daddy Gone
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I think I've posted there a grand total of ten times in three years or so. And at all times I was on my best good-boi-for-tendies behavior. Never insulted anyone or even used strong language, though I did point out what I considered errors and/or dubious claims in at least one article. Isn't that what comment sections are for? 🤷‍♂️

And this time all I wanted to say was that I liked Terminator: Salvation better than Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, though that neither are worth a re-watch.

Guess its time to Old Yeller this Disqus account. At least if I wanna comment at Bleeding Stool.

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I don't know if DC's Black Label is truly foresight on their part, or bumbling into a market where they found a niche.
The harsh reality is that the day of floppies is passing, and with them dedicated comic book shops. #ComicsGate or not. SJW industry infiltration or not. Yeah, some behavior might hasten the end, some might push it back, but I don't see how anyone can say the end isn't coming. Meaning DC might as well try flinging poo at the wall as do anything else. Who knows, some of it may stick.
 
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Puddleduck

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So there are rumors that DC's trying to have it's cake and eat it too with the 5G relaunch.

Basically while 5G will replace the heroes with younger and hipper versions ala Marvel Now DC will launch new oversized titles featuring the originals under it's Black Label.

Sounds good right, I mean everyone's happy this way? One problem the BL books will be 7.99.

I don't see this ending well...
DC is shrinking fast. The 5G line is meant to make them look useful in the eyes of AT&T, as a research and development wing for the superhero line that they've acquired by merging with Time Warner.
Are the rumors about Bruce/Clark/Barry/Lantern/whoever else being replaced fully confirmed yet? I was wondering if DC backpedaled, as the universal response has basically been HELL NAW
 

TJ-Weber

Final Notice for Repo
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idk if this has been covered yet, but Mark Zaid is getting attention in the mainstream twitter circles, since he is bragging about getting a person with child porn problems clearance to meet someone in the white house..which is not a good idea since a certain dead famous friend of the elites probably had that clearance when he flew he in his plane to there.


Some news sources:
 

GeorgiaGuidestones

Go cry to someone else lol
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idk if this has been covered yet, but Mark Zaid is getting attention in the mainstream twitter circles, since he is bragging about getting a person with child porn problems clearance to meet someone in the white house..which is not a good idea since a certain dead famous friend of the elites probably had that clearance when he flew he in his plane to there.


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The disney princess obsession makes a lot more sense now. Birds of a feather...

Seriously, why would any lawyer brag about that?
 
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AnOminous

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Seriously, why would any lawyer brag about that?
I think he's very stupid.

He has a number of intelligence-related clients with security clearances, some of them the subject of news coverage. He has basically said one or more of these people, his own clients, are pedophiles with CP issues, and that he assisted them in getting security clearances despite this.

He appears to have claimed to have violated the law and that his clients are pedophiles. If you have ever hired this clown, and have a security clearance, anyone who knows you now has serious cause to worry that you're a pedophile.

Way to serve your clients you stupid fucking douchebag.
 

Prompt Critical

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The harsh reality is that the day of floppies is passing, and with them dedicated comic book shops. #ComicsGate or not. SJW industry infiltration or not. Yeah, some behavior might hasten the end, some might push it back, but I don't see how anyone can say the end isn't coming. Meaning DC might as well try flinging poo at the wall as do anything else. Who knows, some of it may stick.
Honest question: do you think there's some fundamental difference between American comics and imported manga? Because manga in the US is doing quite well, and the market is continuing to grow even as American comics implodes.

Do you think there's some structural issue that makes them different? (i.e. not self-inflicted due to producing an objectively shit product that costs 10-30x as much per page as the competition, and is marketed almost exclusively towards a shrinking niche audience.) Because obviously superheroes as an entertainment subject (in film and television) are a global phenomenon, and manga as a very similar print entertainment medium is very popular. Heck, a manga about American-style superheroes occupied more than half of the top ten graphic novels sold in the US last year. Aside from incompetence in writing, production and marketing, what can't American comics do that the Japanese can?

Saying "comics were going to die anyway" just sounds like a cope to me.
 

Elwood P. Dowd

Gone Daddy Gone
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Honest question: do you think there's some fundamental difference between American comics and imported manga? Because manga in the US is doing quite well, and the market is continuing to grow even as American comics implodes.

Do you think there's some structural issue that makes them different? (i.e. not self-inflicted due to producing an objectively shit product that costs 10-30x as much per page as the competition, and is marketed almost exclusively towards a shrinking niche audience.) Because obviously superheroes as an entertainment subject (in film and television) are a global phenomenon, and manga as a very similar print entertainment medium is very popular. Heck, a manga about American-style superheroes occupied more than half of the top ten graphic novels sold in the US last year. Aside from incompetence in writing, production and marketing, what can't American comics do that the Japanese can?

Saying "comics were going to die anyway" just sounds like a cope to me.
That's a fair question, and I don't have a direct answer, sorry. Plus I'm hampered by the fact that the only Manga I read is completed series, mostly normie tier shit, and even then not a ton of that. Its just not really my thing, for whatever reason. Do people in the West go out and grab stuff from stores on a weekly, biweekly, monthly basis? Maybe that would be a working model. I hadn't really thought much about that.

One thing I do admit I got completely wrong is how digital format comics§ - have, at least to this point, failed to catch on. When I first heard about these services coming down the line I figured they'd have grabbed a much larger share of the market than they seem to have by now. If anything, comics in the digital sphere almost seem to be sliding backwards, don't they? Amazon doesn't seem to give two shits about Comixology at this point, can't remember the last time I saw an ad for it on their site. Though they also seem to be slowly absorbing it into Kindle books generally, perhaps?

Beyond all that, and why I think the end of the current model is inevitable:
  • Commercial rents, specifically sidewalk fronting retail, are going insane in a bunch of US urban markets. Why this should be the case I have no clear idea, with so much shopping shifting on-line, but it is what it is. You wanna open a comic book shop in San Francisco, NYC, Washington DC, selling stuff that you can't raise prices on, where your supplier is sometimes less than perfect getting what you ordered out to you, well, good luck to you. Mission Comics in San Francisco is only in business at this point because of their Patreon.
  • I don't think people, especially those under 21, think floppies represent a fundamentally good value for the money proposition at this point, whatever their contents. $10 in your Steam wallet (or XBox Live or PSN or Nintendo Store) vs. two floppies you can read in 20 minutes? The choice is a no-brainer. And if they're interested in the floppies they'll probably just pirate them. The people who buy the books are aging, and not being replaced.
  • The Big 2 just seem so not only out of touch with their readers, they're downright antagonistic toward them. As documented by 800 spergy YouTube channels. Possibly this one last one could be turned around, but I see no evidence for this on the horizon. If anything, the ideological purity tests are getting worse over time.
I do wonder a bit about the whole model of the shops being the final customers, as opposed to the newsstand/bookstore model, where unsold inventory can be returned for a full credit. Dunno about this one, since things have been this way for decades now, through some of the biggest booms in comics.


§ - As an aside, compare what has gone on with, of all things, Romance novels and the novelists who write them. Pre-internet, what you had was an industry that paid for shit, treated their authors like shit, and got away with it because Harlequin and one or two others were the only game in town. Once self-publishing became viable these gals (and a few men using female pen names) moved to ebooks much quicker than than any other genre of fiction, pioneering marketing strategies and possibly even technologies, with minimal #Comicsgate-like drama. Kind of an interesting contrast to what has gone on in comics. And curiously underreported in the media, since these kind of books have now gone from a Big Publishing cash cow to Amazon self-publishing. Frustratingly hard to get the data on this, but this now dominates the market.
 

PocketJacks

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I’m not sure why all the fuss about Gatekeeping in CG Twitter lately, but the SJW Influences they seek to purge the group of clearly involve me. TUG specifically labels me an SJW as Ethan had a couple of weeks prior. Not sure why, as I was not trying to get into CG, so gate keeping will really have no impact.

Although, according to his wife, I might be carcinogenic. So, there’s that.
 

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CheezzyMach

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Honest question: do you think there's some fundamental difference between American comics and imported manga? Because manga in the US is doing quite well, and the market is continuing to grow even as American comics implodes.

Do you think there's some structural issue that makes them different? (i.e. not self-inflicted due to producing an objectively shit product that costs 10-30x as much per page as the competition, and is marketed almost exclusively towards a shrinking niche audience.) Because obviously superheroes as an entertainment subject (in film and television) are a global phenomenon, and manga as a very similar print entertainment medium is very popular. Heck, a manga about American-style superheroes occupied more than half of the top ten graphic novels sold in the US last year. Aside from incompetence in writing, production and marketing, what can't American comics do that the Japanese can?

Saying "comics were going to die anyway" just sounds like a cope to me.
People have been saying comics are dying since the market crash of the mid 90s forced them all into hobby shops and nearly 30 years later they're still here.

Personally I think it's impossible to predict the death of the industry if it come it comes but it won't be because of youtube slapfighting.
 

Manwithn0n0men

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Honest question: do you think there's some fundamental difference between American comics and imported manga? Because manga in the US is doing quite well, and the market is continuing to grow even as American comics implodes.
My FLCS/FLGS is selling Manga now

  • I don't think people, especially those under 21, think floppies represent a fundamentally good value for the money proposition at this point, whatever their contents. $10 in your Steam wallet (or XBox Live or PSN or Nintendo Store) vs. two floppies you can read in 20 minutes? The choice is a no-brainer. And if they're interested in the floppies they'll probably just pirate them. The people who buy the books are aging, and not being replaced.
Related to the first point. When I started buying comics it was .75$, which in todays dollars would be 1.79 if you inflation adjust it from the .10$ days comics would be .89$ If we inflation adjust from 1991 [when the industry started to be unsupportable] that gets us $3.30
 
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FROG

Ethan van Sciver
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Anyone else seeing this shit? That cult like behavior right there.


Crypto-Fashion sells my merch.

I had a big hit with the SOYLO t-shirt last year. I made about $25,000 with that one, it was terrific.

A father and his two sons wore it to Disney World, and tweeted me a photo. So this Disney fan got upset and did a whole video about how I was corrupting children. "Good thing you don't make clothing for infants, EVS!"

So Crypto-Fashion offered onesies for infants with my designs as a gag.

This father, who is a CyberFrog fan, had one made for his baby. I think it's cute. You think it's "cult like behavior??"

WTF is fandom to you?
 

NSA

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Honest question: do you think there's some fundamental difference between American comics and imported manga? Because manga in the US is doing quite well, and the market is continuing to grow even as American comics implodes.

Do you think there's some structural issue that makes them different? (i.e. not self-inflicted due to producing an objectively shit product that costs 10-30x as much per page as the competition, and is marketed almost exclusively towards a shrinking niche audience.) Because obviously superheroes as an entertainment subject (in film and television) are a global phenomenon, and manga as a very similar print entertainment medium is very popular. Heck, a manga about American-style superheroes occupied more than half of the top ten graphic novels sold in the US last year. Aside from incompetence in writing, production and marketing, what can't American comics do that the Japanese can?

Saying "comics were going to die anyway" just sounds like a cope to me.
I'm no market analyst but here are some Manga advantages:
Doesn't do floppy crap
It's about $0.06 per page rather than $0.20 per page
It's every genre, rather than one single genre
Mostly new stuff or creator-owned rather than old-as-dirt corporate assembly line products without complete stories.
Edgy content is more common.
No shady distribution monopoly

But even with all that, comics are just terrible, terrible quality right now, a complete waste of time & money. I'm not sure if the shrinking industry made it vulnerable to SJWs or SJWs made the industry crash, or some combination. All I know is, I walk out of the comic store without buying anything pretty often these days. It's kind of awkward.
 

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