TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

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Imagine giving up your shitty bread-tube income so you can write sci-fi of all things and it's sounds like the gayest sci-fi on earth.


Ah, yes. Ampersand. It's not you who are the monsters... It's our bigoty and hatred and blah blah blah. What a fucking hack. Although, the amazon reviews are pretty interesting when coming from socks/etc.
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I know it's a bot or some Chinese kid being paid a nickel, but shit - If you are getting mental insight from a fat alcoholic woman who bleeds out the ass on the daily and goes on Twitter drama bombs nonstop, reconsider your life.
What is defined as a "person?" Oh! Oh! I know! Not an alien! Stupid fucking bitch, god why can't she fucking GO AWAY?!?

Seeing her five-star Amazon reviews enraged me because you know nobody is really reading or enjoying this outside of her Patreon supporters and seeing the REAL reviews shed a light on how much of a wishy-washy generic PC dumpster fire it really is.
 
kinda funny when you think about it...say what @Boston Brand was for someone not lindsay, and someone her simps and stans hated or were commanded to hate, they would be agreeing with all of boston's points and laughing at the utter failure of a person that person was. but cause it's lindsay, they have to rationalize and spin it as @Boston Brand is lying or hating
 
Idk why this is so amusing to me. In Linday's long winded video about how she wrote her first book and got it published you expected the end result to be "and I worked really hard and finally someone liked my story enough to publish it! You see, all that revising and editing over years really helped my story get good enough!"

But instead the whole story ended with "and then someone finally took pity on me on twitter and reached out, offering their full assistance in publishing the book."

Her book was never published because it was good, which is why it was turned down for YEARS by everyone who is anyone. It only got pushed through because 1 guy with 1 connection made it happen. And now he has egg on his face and looks like even more of a nobody. Not to mention THAT being the takeaway from her video is very demoralizing for the audience she hoped to reach (aspiring authors). Basically you don't get published ever unless you whine and complain for a decade and also have a large following already. You? Random nobody? You have 0 chance of replicating this.
This dude put his rep on the line to push Lindsay's book, and all she did was not only give it minimal promotion, but she fucked up sales on the second book by doing even LESS PROMOTION for it, and then her Twitter fuck-ups poisoned the well.

I hope that any half-hearted, slobbery drunk jobbies she gave him was worth it.
 
I've been told by actual published authors that if everyone rejects your book you need to work your ass off revising, listening to feedback, identifying what does and doesn't work for your story, etc. before trying again. And even then maybe the biggest lesson you can learn is that your story isn't that great and you can only put it away, and start another one.
Case and point: On the Road is always framed as a three week marathon of a single draft; and it was written like that, but he spent 6 years revising it until it was published. And that was with a relatively successful book under his belt. As Hemingway said, “the first draft of anything is bullshit.”
 
I've been told by actual published authors that if everyone rejects your book you need to work your ass off revising, listening to feedback, identifying what does and doesn't work for your story, etc. before trying again. And even then maybe the biggest lesson you can learn is that your story isn't that great and you can only put it away, and start another one.

I don't know how literal Lindsay Ellis is being when she says her book languished for years until someone took pity on her. Did she even try to improve her manuscript? Or did she just look for someone who believed her social media presence would be sufficient to get enough people to buy her books?

As to the success of her published books, if her books were selling well then why did she post: "I don't even know how I can keep writing, because my name is attached to my books, and my name is the thing that's most toxic."
So, I don't understand. Wouldn't she had made more money just self-publishing the fucker after running it through a few editors (assuming she even listens to editors) and pushing it at the end of all her youtube videos? Why go through a trad-pub with her kind of audience? Is this just some strange validation autism? Wouldn't draining a publisher of money, when she already has a platform, kill a bunch of authors who actually need the help?

I mean, it's beautiful in a way. It's always these modern socialists types that hurt the poor the most.
 
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I've been told by actual published authors that if everyone rejects your book you need to work your ass off revising, listening to feedback, identifying what does and doesn't work for your story, etc. before trying again. And even then maybe the biggest lesson you can learn is that your story isn't that great and you can only put it away, and start another one.

I don't know how literal Lindsay Ellis is being when she says her book languished for years until someone took pity on her. Did she even try to improve her manuscript? Or did she just look for someone who believed her social media presence would be sufficient to get enough people to buy her books?

As to the success of her published books, if her books were selling well then why did she post: "I don't even know how I can keep writing, because my name is attached to my books, and my name is the thing that's most toxic."

If her books were selling well, then it wouldn't matter if her name is "toxic".

I had expected her to say, "Now I can work on my book writing" since she's decided to quit Youtube. But it sounds like that has fallen completely through.

I don't know what authors told you that, but they're absolutely right. Rejection and revision is part of the process, and it absolutely makes your work better.

Ironically, by using her social media following to jump in line, Ellis probably kneecapped herself... there's no way either of her books has ever seen an editor's pen. Truth in the Divine especially, had it crossed my desk, would have either been a rejection or page 1 rewrite.

You're right though - publishers don't give a fuck how toxic you are, they just care that you sell books. For all their crowing about social justice, put a gun to their head, and make them pick between one of their danger hairs with a Hugo nomination, or Orson Scott Card, they'll kick that pink hair to the curb so fast heads would spin. Hell, did cancelation efforts kill the careers of Larry Correia or any of the Puppies? Or for that matter, NK Jemison after she nearly drove Isabel Fall to suicide?

The only thing that makes your name too toxic to touch in publishing is not being able to sell books... and guess what?

That's why the books tanking is probably hitting Ellis so hard - this is the first time in her life that she's not riding Doug Walker or BreadTube's coattails, she's on her own selling something entirely on her own merits in front of the entire world...

And she's failing because people don't want it. She's forced to confront the fact that her actual talent and influence is very thin indeed, and that KILLS her.

This dude put his rep on the line to push Lindsay's book, and all she did was not only give it minimal promotion, but she fucked up sales on the second book by doing even LESS PROMOTION for it, and then her Twitter fuck-ups poisoned the well.

I hope that any half-hearted, slobbery drunk jobbies she gave him was worth it.

I wish I knew somebody at St. Martin's Press. I just have to know what idiot looked at Ellis, her books, and that excuse of an agent of hers, and thought, "Yeah, this looks like a good use of company money."

So, I don't understand. Wouldn't she had made more money just self-publishing the fucker after running it through a few editors (assuming she even listens to editors) and pushing it at the end of all her youtube videos? Why go through a trad-pub with her kind of audience? Is this just some strange validation autism? Wouldn't draining a publisher of money, when she already has a platform, kill a bunch of authors who actually need the help?

Ding ding ding!

She absolutely would have made more money self-publishing this - hell, her Twilight Parody she wrote with her lackies a few years ago until very recently had more reviews on Amazon than Truth of the Divine did.

This was never about money for her, she wanted this book deal and a Hugo for the same reason she wanted that PBS gig and to be a director: legitimacy. And instead, she blew up a money printing machine (her YouTube) to sell fewer books than most D-list spec fiction authors.

And all the money her publisher blew on her advance, promotion and publication probably could have paid for the debut novels of a dozen new authors who just didn't have the luck to be Doug Walker's bottom bitch ten years ago.
 
I don't know what authors told you that, but they're absolutely right. Rejection and revision is part of the process, and it absolutely makes your work better.

Ironically, by using her social media following to jump in line, Ellis probably kneecapped herself... there's no way either of her books has ever seen an editor's pen. Truth in the Divine especially, had it crossed my desk, would have either been a rejection or page 1 rewrite.

You're right though - publishers don't give a fuck how toxic you are, they just care that you sell books. For all their crowing about social justice, put a gun to their head, and make them pick between one of their danger hairs with a Hugo nomination, or Orson Scott Card, they'll kick that pink hair to the curb so fast heads would spin. Hell, did cancelation efforts kill the careers of Larry Correia or any of the Puppies? Or for that matter, NK Jemison after she nearly drove Isabel Fall to suicide?

The only thing that makes your name too toxic to touch in publishing is not being able to sell books... and guess what?

That's why the books tanking is probably hitting Ellis so hard - this is the first time in her life that she's not riding Doug Walker or BreadTube's coattails, she's on her own selling something entirely on her own merits in front of the entire world...

And she's failing because people don't want it. She's forced to confront the fact that her actual talent and influence is very thin indeed, and that KILLS her.



I wish I knew somebody at St. Martin's Press. I just have to know what idiot looked at Ellis, her books, and that excuse of an agent of hers, and thought, "Yeah, this looks like a good use of company money."



Ding ding ding!

She absolutely would have made more money self-publishing this - hell, her Twilight Parody she wrote with her lackies a few years ago until very recently had more reviews on Amazon than Truth of the Divine did.

This was never about money for her, she wanted this book deal and a Hugo for the same reason she wanted that PBS gig and to be a director: legitimacy. And instead, she blew up a money printing machine (her YouTube) to sell fewer books than most D-list spec fiction authors.

And all the money her publisher blew on her advance, promotion and publication probably could have paid for the debut novels of a dozen new authors who just didn't have the luck to be Doug Walker's bottom bitch ten years ago.
I've been writing blogs and short stories for years and have unpublished books. I am my own worst critic never going through the publishing process. Too poor to try and self-publish and copyright my work. Maybe one day, but whatever. Lindsay, however, sees what she is doing as the logical bridge between what she THINKS she knows (how to write) and what she wholeheartedly BELIEVES in (patriarchy, feminism, white males are assholes, etc.) Her notoriety gave her a big leg up to be successful and I guarantee you the publisher that looked at her work figured her bullshit would strike just the right chord with people at the height of all this feminism/anti-feminism/MAGA nonsense giving her lots of sheckles. What she didn't count on was the immense drop off of that drum banging in the wake of COVID and Biden winning which put a huge dampener in interest leading to what is Lindsay's lackluster status in the literary world today.
 
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Ellis was participating in cancelling somebody the same day she posted her quitting post.

The person she was trying to cancel was somebody she had ancient personal drama with.

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Imagine giving up your shitty bread-tube income so you can write sci-fi of all things and it's sounds like the gayest sci-fi on earth.


Ah, yes. Ampersand. It's not you who are the monsters... It's our bigoty and hatred and blah blah blah. What a fucking hack. Although, the amazon reviews are pretty interesting when coming from socks/etc.
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I know it's a bot or some Chinese kid being paid a nickel, but shit - If you are getting mental insight from a fat alcoholic woman who bleeds out the ass on the daily and goes on Twitter drama bombs nonstop, reconsider your life.
I love how they try and use the fact that she has a million subscribers as a selling point. Why should that of all things motivate me to buy her Twilight-tier trashfire?
 
I love how they try and use the fact that she has a million subscribers as a selling point. Why should that of all things motivate me to buy her Twilight-tier trashfire?
I dont know why anyone would think it would transfer directly into sales. She is a movie reviewer, not a book reviewer. Her channel has nothing to do with reading. Most of her fans are likely not readers at all.
 
The person she was trying to cancel was somebody she had ancient personal drama with.

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That reminds me. Elisa (Vampire Reviews) started shoehorning pro-troon messages in her reviews around the same time... I always wondered what happened. Jill's a basic "No Fun Allowed" white feminist screeching about boob armor, but I respect her for not bending the knee to this shit.
 
I dont know why anyone would think it would transfer directly into sales. She is a movie reviewer, not a book reviewer. Her channel has nothing to do with reading. Most of her fans are likely not readers at all.
Probably because they want to feel like they have a pulse on what they consider to be the target demo for entertainment. And maybe someone is looking for the next adaptation deal.
 
That reminds me. Elisa (Vampire Reviews) started shoehorning pro-troon messages in her reviews around the same time... I always wondered what happened. Jill's a basic "No Fun Allowed" white feminist screeching about boob armor, but I respect her for not bending the knee to this shit.

Man, I could go on a thousand different rants at how retarded people sound when they rail against boob armor. I am allowed to put decapitations and dragons in my stories but not an unclothed woman? Yeah, no deal.
Having watched her Boob armor video? She doesn't react that way at all. Her final assessment is basically "But armor had codpieces so why the fuck not?"
 
@Boston Brand For some reason I don't have the option of replying to the actual post, but two things:

1. I have a Joe Hill book on my shelf and want to know if your comparison of him to Steven King was meant to imply he is not a good or successful writer.

2. I am actually interested in reading Black Sun by Roanhorse who you call "diversity hire". I do not doubt for a second that her black-indian(that sounds like a fun story) heritage helped her score a book deal, but I would like to know if I shouldn't bother trying her work. I did enjoy Red Wolf, Black Leopard by Marlon James and figured hey, I liked this African fantasy, perhaps a Native American fantasy will also be enjoyable. Let me know, if you can be bothered.
 
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