What's wrong with wooden doors?
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Holocaust denying aside this claim is just dumb on it's surface.
Buchenwald had six crematoriums in two groups of three.
Unlike modern crematoriums they were wood or coal fired vs. gas
There's no way this is going to be more efficient.
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Buchenwald had six crematoriums in two groups of three.
Unlike modern crematoriums they were wood or coal fired vs. gas
There's no way this is going to be more efficient.
I mean, yeah
German WW2 crematoriums kinda had to be fast. That was the whole point
German WW2 crematoriums kinda had to be fast. That was the whole point
Ash Gassem
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One of the claims they make is they burned 2 or three at a time in these. But that claim does not make sense, because you double/triple the mass to be burned (basically the amount of water to be evaporated) while only increasing the surface area by a little bit. Per body, this would actually increase the time required.
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No cooling, less cleaning.
Cooling bricks takes longer than you might think.
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If you properly starve them while at the same time you work them to death, there is not much mass left when you shove them in to the oven.
It is not really hard to burn a dead adult when their weight is about 150 lbs or less.
That doesn't address the point he was making in the least. It's still going to be less efficient to burn multiple bodies at once, which means the claim that they burned multiple bodies at once is illogical.
Not that I would give a shit about how they got rid of that scum to begin with.
But it would be less efficient if it would be multiple well fed adults, then yes, but those malnutrioned corpses would be easy to burn as there is not really much left to burn. Albeit I highly doubt that burning more than two at the same time would be working at all, given the size of the ovens. But two at the same time would be as efficient as when you would burn a normal sized well fed adult.
I never looked at this claim in depth, but the argument goes that it is not very effective at keeping the guards standing just outside to remain ungassed.
Why can't Holocaust demiers be this honest?
Why would it matter if it's steel or wood? Both don't let air through. You just need rubber or something on the edges.
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That doesn't make sense to me. I don't think wooden doors are permeable are they? Metal or wood what makes a difference is how well fitted a door is. And even if the doors had gaps under them the gas isn't some cartoon touch it you die thing, is it? I would imagine at the first whiff of gas any guards stationed outside would... step back. Gas is deadly because you can't get out of it either because you're trapped or because its advancing faster than you or because you don't know which direction to go to get out of it. I've just looked up Zyklon B and according to Wikipedia (I know, I know - but if anything I would expect biases to exaggerate this not down play it), it took 20 minutes for the people in the chambers to die. I can't imagine any guards stupid enough to stand there inhaling, getting first symptoms and just standing there and breathing more and more in when they knew damn well what was happening on the other side.
Open to counter-arguments but this "wooden doors" objection sounds dumb as fuck to me.
Where really is the credibility gap though? You really had four main factions of accusers in the Nuremberg trials. The US, USSR, UK, and the Jews themselves.
US: Absolute zero concern for civilian casualties both during WW2 and in most later conflicts
USSR: Concealed its own genocides, and had no issues manipulating information for political gain
UK: Their parliamentary dominated government was literally founded by holding kangaroo trials for their defeated royalist enemies and then executing them, and their country is now the most dystopian first world country on Earth
Jews: Ignoring the consistent dishonesty of their modern diaspora counterparts, Israel has shown itself to have no objections towards the removal and elimination of its ethnic rivals (and I'm not just talking about modern Israel)
With this in mind, doesn't the "righteous indignation" by these groups towards the purported genocide of the Jews come off as somewhat dishonest?
Likewise, a rational person can see that a fair portion of the claims are just ludicrous. Most prominently the six million claim. The current population of Illinois is about 12.5 million people. It would be a mammoth task just to indiscriminately kill half of the state's population. Much more so to pick out the 50% you want dead, and then cart them off sometimes up to 500 miles away and into a foreign country.
Around 1 million people died in the Armenian genocide in half the time of the holocaust. I think it's reasonable to assume that Germany is at least 3 times better at shit than Turkey.
It's also a misconception that all Jews were killed in camps - millions were killed or allowed to die (like starved in the ghettos) before they got into any camp. The 6 million figure is not a kill count but a comparison of how many Jews you had before and after the holocaust.
The before and after the difference in numbers is not the claim. In fact, the more modern claims are even more outlandish with the addition of other groups that need a "white man genocided us narrative."
That aside, 6 (11 now I guess) to 1 million is a massive numerical gap. Likewise, there was no attempt at secrecy in the Armenian genocide like what is alleged in the holocaust narrative.
It's certainly possible to make an airtight seal with a wood door, but it would be so incredibly difficult due to the fact that wood will swell and shrink depending on heat and humidity, that there's no way anyone would use wood for a gas chamber door. Additionally, since you brought it up, the use of Zyklon B itself is suspicious. High concentrations of carbon monoxide will kill in 5 minutes, as opposed to 20 minutes with Zyklon B, and is basically free.
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That's not new. The 6 million figure was always about Jews. Plenty of other people were killed too.
Do you doubt that 13 million civilians died in the Sovjet Union too?
Yes, Turks have never done anything to try to hide the Armenian genocide lol
I'm not saying they don't try to hide it now. I'm just saying that they didn't try to keep it hidden from the general public at that time, which was apparently a thing during the Holocaust since the 82nd Airborne felt the need to drag townspeople in to see it first hand.
That's wrong though. Most of the killing was under the guise of deportation or taking down rebellions.
But you need to stand outside, because what if they manage to get out?
And considering the sheer numbers of death, how could you keep rotating guards sufficiently that they don't die? The million and half deaths auschwitz deaths claimed is a pretty steep figure when you calculate the logistics of it, never mind the original claim of 4 million.
As I said, I have not looked into this claim in depth, there are only so many aspects that I can observe in detail. Because usually it means you have to look into the properties of the materials in question, what door was used where, what the properties of the gas were under x temperature and so forth.
It is important to point out that the doors that were originally supposed to be on various gas chambers and presented by holocaust museum as original doors, were wooden doors without any such rubber and didn't even come close to closing snuggly, even if one were to argue that the rubber was removed.
The current affirmist claim is that when it was repurposed as an air raid shelter the doors were replaced with said wooden doors.
That is a claim that makes even less sense to me.
But as I said, I have only done a cursory look at this aspect, so I only point out the doors mutual argument as I've heard it.
I'd recommend a look at David Cole's documentary if you can still find it after being removed off youtube and possibly being unfindable on bitchute. Then you can look at the affirmist claims which I can dig up for you, or you can find easily on google or reddit.
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