The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[mr.moon1488]

That's wrong though. Most of the killing was under the guise of deportation or taking down rebellions.

Yes, but in addition to this, they literally hung people in town squares with signs around their necks in some cases. This indicates that while they may have been trying to keep the killings secret from the outside world, they really didn't bother with trying to keep the Turkish population out of the loop. This is a major difference when you compare this to the Holocaust, which would have required unbelievable levels of secrecy to keep hidden from the general population in Germany. There's a big difference between hiding something from outsiders and hiding something from people who are kin to some of the alleged perpetrators. I think this fact in conjunction with the fact that Poland now has some animosity towards Jewish interests is why you're now seeing sort of a retcon from the original narrative of "the Polish people knew nothing and were victims" to "the Polish people were happy about the holocaust and knew about it."

 

[garakfan69]

Yes, but in addition to this, they literally hung people in town squares with signs around their necks in some cases. This indicates that while they may have been trying to keep the killings secret from the outside world, they really didn't bother with trying to keep the Turkish population out of the loop. This is a major difference when you compare this to the Holocaust, which would have required unbelievable levels of secrecy to keep hidden from the general population in Germany. There's a big difference between hiding something from outsiders and hiding something from people who are kin to some of the alleged perpetrators. I think this fact in conjunction with the fact that Poland now has some animosity towards Jewish interests is why you're now seeing sort of a retcon from the original narrative of "the Polish people knew nothing and were victims" to "the Polish people were happy about the holocaust and knew about it."

Cruel displays to make an example out of some people are not the same as announcing your genocide.
It would be a retarded thing to do. Think about it: Even if every Turk is fine with killing every Armenian, including women and children, and jerks off to corpse filled pits, it would still be stupid to let the general population know about your genocidal plans because it tells every Armenian to resist as hard as they can because they have nothing to lose.

 

[Overly Serious]

But you need to stand outside, because what if they manage to get out?

And considering the sheer numbers of death, how could you keep rotating guards sufficiently that they don't die? The million and half deaths auschwitz deaths claimed is a pretty steep figure when you calculate the logistics of it, never mind the original claim of 4 million.






As I said, I have not looked into this claim in depth, there are only so many aspects that I can observe in detail. Because usually it means you have to look into the properties of the materials in question, what door was used where, what the properties of the gas were under x temperature and so forth.

It is important to point out that the doors that were originally supposed to be on various gas chambers and presented by holocaust museum as original doors, were wooden doors without any such rubber and didn't even come close to closing snuggly, even if one were to argue that the rubber was removed.

The current affirmist claim is that when it was repurposed as an air raid shelter the doors were replaced with said wooden doors.

That is a claim that makes even less sense to me.

But as I said, I have only done a cursory look at this aspect, so I only point out the doors mutual argument as I've heard it.

I'd recommend a look at David Cole's documentary if you can still find it after being removed off youtube and possibly being unfindable on bitchute. Then you can look at the affirmist claims which I can dig up for you, or you can find easily on google or reddit.

Well I've never looked at primary sources so cannot debate you on doors not fitting properly, etc. But I can confidently say that wooden doors can block poison gas and anyone who tries to argue holocaust figures are inflated because "the doors were wooden not metal" is going to do far more to make themselves sound like a loon than to convince anyone of their case.

 

[Lemmingwise]

But I can confidently say that wooden doors can block poison gas and anyone who tries to argue holocaust figures are inflated because "the doors were wooden not metal" is going to do far more to make themselves sound like a loon than to convince anyone of their case.

"Sound like a loon" is a poor basis for judgement. If you say the world is a globe at a flat earth convention you sound like a loon. If you say the holocaust happened at the local nazi biker gang you "sound like a loon". If you say there are two genders at a gender studies university lecture, too.

It's completely contextual to the local social mores and has no bearing on the accuracy of what is being said.

I'm curious. You state your confidence about wooden doors stopping poison gas. As I said, I've neither expertise on this subject or given this subject more than a cursory glance. (I generally end up studying subjects like this as a result of discourse and mutual curiosity).

What is the basis for you being confident about it?

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

I firmly believe the holocaust happened but many people took, uh, heavy artistic liberties when talking about it. I'm just dropping by this thread to drop the tales of the holocauster and the masturbation machines lol:

 

[Imadeanaccounttoseedoxes]

I'm too lazy to read through the thread and see what has been discussed already but here are my top 10 reasons why the holocaust is retarded horse-shit. Codoh.com is a good resource for debunking. If you want something short which summarizes the debate in 300 pages or so read "Debating the Holocaust" by Dr. Thomas Dalton.

1: There is no order from Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels or anyone else in the regime to exterminate the Jews. No mention of it in any speech, in Mein Kampf or Goebbel's diary either. They haven't found any document or mention anywhere. Not even the many decrypted radio messages after the British cracked the Enigma had mentions of gas or a holocaust.

2: The number 6 million was mentioned constantly by The New York Times and other Jewish newspapers before and during the first world war and throughout the second world war before the allies had even invaded. The genocide of six million jews moved between Russia, Poland and Ukraine, Romania and eventually Germany. Some mentions from Dr. Thomas Dalton's Debating the Holocaust (there are many more):

"In 1910, we find “Russian Jews in sad plight,” and we are saddened over “the systematic, relentless, quiet grinding down of a people of more than 6,000,000 souls” (Apr 11) In 1911 the NYT reported that “the 6,000,000 Jews of Russia are singled out for systematic oppression and for persecution by due process of law” (Oct 31; p. 5). It’s amazing to think that, even by 1910, there was a clear emphasis on “6 million” and “systematic extermination” with respect to the Jews."

'"In September 1919, we find that it is now the Ukrainian and Polish Jews who are subject to misery; “6,000,000 are in peril” (Sep 8; p. 6). We are further horrified to read that “the population of 6,000,000 souls in Ukrania and in Poland…are going to be completely exterminated."

“unbelievable poverty, starvation and disease [for] about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth” (12 Nov 1919)
"typhus menaced 6,000,000 Jews of Europe” (12 Apr 1920)
“hunger, cold rags, desolation, disease, death—six million human beings without food, shelter, clothing” (2 May 1920)
“Russia’s 6,000,000 Jews are facing extermination by massacre” (20 Jul 1921)
“over 6,000,000” Russian Jews “neglected” (16 Sep 1924)

"Into early 1939, the London Times continued to report on Weizmann’s view that “the fate of 6,000,000 people was in the balance” (Feb 14; p. 9). War began in September of that year, and anti-Nazi propaganda accelerated. In mid-1940, the NYT quoted Nahum Goldmann: “Six million Jews are doomed to destruction if the victory of the Nazis should be final” (Jun 25; p. 4)."

3: They haven't found a fraction of a percent of the bodies or the ash that would have to be there despite claiming to know roughly where they are buried.

4: All the camps they claimed to be extermination camps in Germany have been revised and are now only considered prison/concentration/work camps. Among others they claimed Buchenwald, Dachau, Mauthausen and Bergen Belsen were death camps. Today only 6 camps in eastern Europe are still considered extermination camps (Auschwitz, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Majdanek and Chelmno)

5: They claimed 2 million Jews were gassed to death with carbon monoxide via diesel exhaust. Problem is: Diesel exhaust contains less than 0.1% carbon monoxide and is not lethal. They also claimed the gas-vans (these vans were never found btw) and gas chambers they were gassed in were air-tight, which would make it impossible to blow exhaust into it without blowing something up. You would just build up pressure. If they had claimed the Germans had just left them in there and killed them via suffocation it would have made more sense. The diesel exhaust would have just provided them with more oxygen, lmao. Witnesses also claimed these bodies were blue, black and bloated, none of which is accurate for carbon monoxide poisoning which leaves your body red and pink. No witness claimed the bodies were the accurate color.

6. The gas chambers where they claimed cyanide gas was used have no Prussian blue on the walls. Prussian blue is formed when cyanide reacts with iron and creates a clear blue color. In all the buildings that both sides of the debate agree were delousing chambers, where clothing and bed sheets were gassed with Zyklon-B, there is prussian blue on the walls. Many of the "homicidal gas chambers" lack this coating. Also, when Leuchter and later Germar Rudolf tested the walls for cyanide they found high levels of cyanide in the delousing chambers and low levels in the alleged homicidal gas chambers, suggesting they're not real. The gas chamber at Auschwitz one doesn't even make sense just by looking at it. It's right next to one of the SS barracks, so the Germans would be constantly breathing in cyanide. The crematorium is right next to the gas chamber, which is retarded because cyanide is highly flammable.

7. During the Hungarian Operation, in which the Jews from Hungary were all deported to German territory and allegedly killed, Auschwitz two aka Birkenau would have been burning something like 5-10k bodies a day. You would expect all of the crematoria and fire pits to be burning at full capacity 24/7. And yet, we have 3 spy plane photos the allies took during that time showing none of the crematoria were being used. The only smoke we see is a thin line of smoke in one of the photos coming from besides krema 5. In total there were 10 spy plane photos. In only one photo was there a crematoria being used. During the Hungarian Operation they would have to have used more than a 1000 tons (a million kilograms) of wood every day to keep up with the bodies and yet the smoke is no where to be seen. There is no witness reports of this massive amount of wood arriving to the camp nor where it came from either. It would also have produced a staggering amount of ash, very little of which have been found.

8. Leading expert on Auschwitz, Jan Van Pelt, said they don't have evidence and believe it on faith, lmao: "Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove . . . it has become part of our inherited knowledge." How you can KNOW something you can't prove is beyond me

9. Very few of the sonderkommando (Jewish collaborators) who literally testified and admitted to having helped the Germans kill thousands, sometimes ten of thousands, of their own people have been punished for their betrayal. Many of them have even gotten lucrative jobs in Hollywood, banking and investing. Why wouldn't you punish someone who has betrayed your people to such a degree? They claim it's because they were forced to, but according to them so were the German soldiers who would have been killed if they didn't follow orders and most of them were hanged.

10. All the retarded witness reports. It is impossible to go through all the faults and absolute retarded lies the kikes came up with. Almost every single witness has revised elements (such as gas coming from shower heads), physical impossibilities or ridicules tales within their testimony. Everything from masturbation machines to pedal-actuated brain-bashing machines to little girls sneaking into Germany alone, getting lost in the woods and getting raised by wolves. Even the most famous witnesses, like peace prize receiver Elie Wiesel, are obvious frauds. Elie Wiesel, among other lies, said he saw ten thousands of people being gassed at Buchenwald despite the fact that, like I said earlier, Buchenwald has been revised and they've admitted there were no gassing victims there.

This is just a short list of problems I could remember from the top of my head. Nothing about the narrative makes sense. The physics of burning the bodies on open fires which would have required entire forests to be chopped down if it's possible at all. The absolutely retarded killing methods that range from impractical to impossible. Why not just shoot them all or starve them like the Soviets did? No other genocide has been done this way. This isn't even the first time the Jews claim to have been killed with gas and their bodies disappear. A guy names Philo claimed the exact same thing in the year 38 AD. The only reason why people believe it is because it's drilled into our heads as kids. The only reason why it isn't laughed at in debate is because the debate is illegal to be had and will land you in prison in many countries. I leave you at last with a list I found of some of the retarded lies told by Jews:

child surviving six gassings in a gas chamber that never existed
woman survived three gassings because Nazis kept running out of gas
fairy tale of a bear and an eagle in a cage, eating one Jew per day
mass graves expelling geysers of blood
erupting and exploding mass graves
soap production from human fat with imprint "RIF " – ‘Reine Juden Seife’ (pure Jewish soap), solemn burial of soap
the SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh (‘RIW’– ‘Reine Juden Wurst’?)
lampshades, book covers, driving gloves for SS officers, saddles, riding breeches, house slippers, and ladies handbags of human skin
pornographic pictures on canvasses made of human skin
mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KL commander Koch (Buchenwald)
production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates
acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons
muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contracted so strongly that they made the buckets jump about
an SS-father potshooting babies thrown into the air while 9-year old SS-daughter applauds and shrieks: "Papa, do it again; do it again, Papa!"
Jewish children used by Hitler-Youth for target practice
wagons disappearing on an incline into the underground crematoria in Auschwitz (such facilities never existed)
forcing prisoners to lick stairs clean, and collect garbage with their lips
injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color
first artificially fertilize women at Auschwitz, then gas them
torturing people in specially mass-produced "torture boxes" made by Krupp
torturing people by shooting at them with wooden bullets to make them talk
smacking people with special spanking machines
killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrogen cyanide (which, scientifically considered, evaporates quickly and would endanger those who pouring it into said glass)
killing people with poisoned soft drinks
underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity
blast 20,000 Jews into the twilight zone with atomic bombs
killing in vacuum chamber, hot steam or chlorine gas
mass murder in hot steam chamber
mass murder by tree cutting: forcing people to climb trees, then cutting the trees down
killing a boy by forcing him to eat sand
gassing Soviet POWs in a quarry
gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves
rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds
beating people to death, then carrying out autopsies to see why they died;[34]
introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles;[35]
electrical conveyor-belt executions
bashing people’s brains in with a pedal-driven brain-bashing machine while listening to the radio
cremation of bodies in blast furnaces
cremation of human bodies using no fuel at all
skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires
mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans
killing 840,000 Russian POWs at Sachsenhausen, and burning the bodies in 4 portable ovens
removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up
SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau
out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them
blue haze after gassing with hydrogen cyanide (which is colorless)
singing of national anthems and the Communist International by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence of atrocity propaganda of Communist origin
a twelve-year old boy giving an impressive and heroic speech in front of the other camp children before being ‘gassed’
filling the mouths of victims with cement to prevent them from singing patriotic or communist songs

Also whether the wooden door is gasproof or not is a retarded discussing. The door doesn't need to be gasproof, it needs to be thousands-of-jews-proof. Thousands of people pushing the same direction can push down concrete walls. A flimsy wooden door would be no match for thousands of panicking people. Yet we have no witness ever claiming this was done

 

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Thousands of people pushing the same direction can push down concrete walls

uh, no? Unless jews can be assumed to behave like point particles.

 

[Imadeanaccounttoseedoxes]

uh, no? Unless jews can be assumed to behave like point particles.

"Juventus fans ran back on the terraces and away from the threat into a concrete retaining wall. Fans already standing near the wall were crushed; eventually the wall collapsed, allowing others to escape"

Heysel Stadium disaster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Erupting and exploding mass graves is a thing that can occur; gas buildup from decomposing bodies can break loose in a sort of geyser, especially if the process is being accelerated with something like lime.

OFC, bodies that are putrefying are bodies that haven't been cremated, so...

 

[FlamingPie]

"Juventus fans ran back on the terraces and away from the threat into a concrete retaining wall. Fans already standing near the wall were crushed; eventually the wall collapsed, allowing others to escape"

Heysel Stadium disaster - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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"The stadium was crammed with 58,000–60,000 supporters, with more than 25,000 for each team."

I don't think the Nazis packed thousands of people in a single gas chamber because even they probably knew something like that was going to happen if they did.

 

[Fentanyl Floyd]

I firmly believe the holocaust happened but many people took, uh, heavy artistic liberties when talking about it. I'm just dropping by this thread to drop the tales of the holocauster and the masturbation machines lol:

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[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

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We need a lunacy rating here. That story sounds like something straight out of a Satanic Panic book written in the 80's, lmao. Replace Satanists with Nazis and innocent virgins with Jews and there you go.

That baby would have died.

 

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so put your grasses on, nothing will be wrong

 

[Imadeanaccounttoseedoxes]

"The stadium was crammed with 58,000–60,000 supporters, with more than 25,000 for each team."

I don't think the Nazis packed thousands of people in a single gas chamber because even they probably knew something like that was going to happen if they did.

There were far fewer than 25k pushing against that wall, but it is irrelevant. My claim was not that the Jews could have broken down the walls of the gas chambers. Most, if not all, of the gas chambers are brickwork, not concrete, so it would be a stupid comparison. The Jews wouldn't have to break down a wall. They only had to break through, like I said, a flimsy wooden door. A wooden door with iron fittings no less (not even steel which is much stronger). As to your claim that the Germans weren't packing the chambers full, welcome aboard the revisionist train. You are officially a holocaust revisionist. They don't just claim they were packing them full, they claimed they were packing them fuller than physics allow up to 12 times a day.

At Belzec they claimed they were filling the gas chambers with 10 people per square meter (about one person per square foot) and that they were filling the gas chambers to this capacity every 2 hours.
Auschwitz had far larger gas chambers that sonderkommandos claimed were often packed to the brim.
Bunker 1: They claimed around 800 capacity (Bunker 1 is 60 square meters so it would be even more packed than Belzec's chambers)
Bunker 2: 1200 capacity at 90 square meters
Krema 2 and 3 had a gas chamber each at 210 square meters and would have had a capacity of around 2800 people.
Krema 4 and 5 had 3 smaller rooms each at a total of 236 square meters.

Funny thing is you would be right when looking at the total amount of people killed versus the total capacity of the camps. The final capacity of Belzec is 10 times larger than the Germans needed to kill the 550k they claimed died there. At Treblinka they had around 7 times the capacity needed to keep up with the Jews arriving. What was the German response? Spend a ton of resources to double the amount of gas chambers of course, at a time when Jewish arrivals were decreasing by 50%. By the end they were using about 3 percent of the total capacity. Weird how these geniuses could kill and disappear 6 million people but not do some simple math. The combined capacity of the Reinhardt camps (Belzec, Treblinka and Sobibor) would have been around 2 million people a month or 24 million a year. Enough to kill every single Jew in the world at the time in about 7 months. Auschwitz is even worse. According to Dr. Franciszek Piper the Germans could do 5-6 gassings a day in every chamber. The total capacity of the chambers were around 13600 meaning the total capacity would have been around 81.600 people per day assuming 6 gassing cycles. That's another staggering >30 million people a year. They could have gassed every Jew that died at Auschwitz in 13 DAYS. And yet the Germans kept building more and more chambers when the first, and smallest, one would have done the job. Instead of just focusing on building more crematoriums, which they kept running out of capacity of (hence open air burnings) they kept building more and bigger gas chambers.

All of that is irrelevant to your claim that the Germans didn't fill the chambers full because that's exactly what the witnesses said they did. If we start doubting the sonderkommando and other witnesses we have to throw out Auschwitz as a whole since Robert Jan Van Pelt, leading expert on Auschwitz, admitted we don't have physical evidence.

I forgot Auschwitz's Krema 1, with a capacity of around 1k. That makes the total capacity of the chambers at Auschwitz 14600 and around 32 million people a year.

 

[PhamtomGuy]

There were far fewer than 25k pushing against that wall, but it is irrelevant. My claim was not that the Jews could have broken down the walls of the gas chambers. Most, if not all, of the gas chambers are brickwork, not concrete, so it would be a stupid comparison. The Jews wouldn't have to break down a wall. They only had to break through, like I said, a flimsy wooden door. A wooden door with iron fittings no less (not even steel which is much stronger). As to your claim that the Germans weren't packing the chambers full, welcome aboard the revisionist train. You are officially a holocaust revisionist. They don't just claim they were packing them full, they claimed they were packing them fuller than physics allow up to 12 times a day.

At Belzec they claimed they were filling the gas chambers with 10 people per square meter (about one person per square foot) and that they were filling the gas chambers to this capacity every 2 hours.
Auschwitz had far larger gas chambers that sonderkommandos claimed were often packed to the brim.
Bunker 1: They claimed around 800 capacity (Bunker 1 is 60 square meters so it would be even more packed than Belzec's chambers)
Bunker 2: 1200 capacity at 90 square meters
Krema 2 and 3 had a gas chamber each at 210 square meters and would have had a capacity of around 2800 people.
Krema 4 and 5 had 3 smaller rooms each at a total of 236 square meters.

Funny thing is you would be right when looking at the total amount of people killed versus the total capacity of the camps. The final capacity of Belzec is 10 times larger than the Germans needed to kill the 550k they claimed died there. At Treblinka they had around 7 times the capacity needed to keep up with the Jews arriving. What was the German response? Spend a ton of resources to double the amount of gas chambers of course, at a time when Jewish arrivals were decreasing by 50%. By the end they were using about 3 percent of the total capacity. Weird how these geniuses could kill and disappear 6 million people but not do some simple math. The combined capacity of the Reinhardt camps (Belzec, Treblinka and Sobibor) would have been around 2 million people a month or 24 million a year. Enough to kill every single Jew in the world at the time in about 7 months. Auschwitz is even worse. According to Dr. Franciszek Piper the Germans could do 5-6 gassings a day in every chamber. The total capacity of the chambers were around 13600 meaning the total capacity would have been around 81.600 people per day assuming 6 gassing cycles. That's another staggering >30 million people a year. They could have gassed every Jew that died at Auschwitz in 13 DAYS. And yet the Germans kept building more and more chambers when the first, and smallest, one would have done the job. Instead of just focusing on building more crematoriums, which they kept running out of capacity of (hence open air burnings) they kept building more and bigger gas chambers.

All of that is irrelevant to your claim that the Germans didn't fill the chambers full because that's exactly what the witnesses said they did. If we start doubting the sonderkommando and other witnesses we have to throw out Auschwitz as a whole since Robert Jan Van Pelt, leading expert on Auschwitz, admitted we don't have physical evidence.

Gee, I wonder why those conniving, stinky jews didn't coordinate an escape while they were being blasted with deadly chemical gas.

 

[Imadeanaccounttoseedoxes]

Gee, I wonder why those conniving, stinky jews didn't coordinate an escape while they were being blasted with deadly chemical gas.

They weren't blasted. The gas came from off-gassing Zyklon-B pellets. And you don't need to coordinate. Do you think the people at Heysel Stadium coordinated to mash each other into that wall? No, they were panicking. When you panic you rush for safety which would be the door. The Jews would have been pressing against that door without even thinking about it. Are you seriously telling me that you think it's more likely that the Jews were just sitting around waiting to die than them panicking and pushing against the door?

 

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flimsy wooden door

This isn't minecraft, wooden doors aren't necessarily flimsy.

 

[PhamtomGuy]

They weren't blasted. The gas came from off-gassing Zyklon-B pellets. And you don't need to coordinate. Do you think the people at Heysel Stadium coordinated to mash each other into that wall? No, they were panicking. When you panic you rush for safety which would be the door. The Jews would have been pressing against that door without even thinking about it. Are you seriously telling me that you think it's more likely that the Jews were just sitting around waiting to die than them panicking and pushing against the door?

The technical details of how they were being gassed don't matter, what matters is that they were being gassed in the first place and had a limited time frame to break down the door before the pain and shock melted their lungs or made them unconscious.

This isn't minecraft, wooden doors aren't necessarily flimsy.

This also assumes the doors were wooden at all.

 

[Imadeanaccounttoseedoxes]

This isn't minecraft, wooden doors aren't necessarily flimsy.

What's with you people and nit-picking language? This wasn't even one of my original points. Respond to those instead. How come the NYT and other Jewish papers reported 6 million Jews dying all over the place throughout the early 1900's? It was false all the other times but this time it's correct? And exactly 6 million too? How fortunate. How do you kill people with diesel exhaust and why would you considering the alternatives? Diesel has been used in places like mines and submarines SPECIFICALLY because it's exhaust is far less toxic than other fuel sources. And before you give me a cope link, if you detune it to produce slightly more CO you would several impair its ability as an engine and the same engine is running the car that's driving the Jews to the burial ground. Why not use, I don't know, ANYTHING ELSE. They had gasoline engines, but chose to use diesel? Why are the readings of cyanide in the walls of the homicidal gas chambers the same as other buildings that weren't gassed? And where is the prussian blue that is in every delousing chamber? Why do the plane photos the allies took show none of the crematoriums are working when all the crematoriums would have been at full capacity and running 24/7?

 

[FlamingPie]

There were far fewer than 25k pushing against that wall, but it is irrelevant. My claim was not that the Jews could have broken down the walls of the gas chambers. Most, if not all, of the gas chambers are brickwork, not concrete, so it would be a stupid comparison. The Jews wouldn't have to break down a wall. They only had to break through, like I said, a flimsy wooden door. A wooden door with iron fittings no less (not even steel which is much stronger). As to your claim that the Germans weren't packing the chambers full, welcome aboard the revisionist train. You are officially a holocaust revisionist. They don't just claim they were packing them full, they claimed they were packing them fuller than physics allow up to 12 times a day.

At Belzec they claimed they were filling the gas chambers with 10 people per square meter (about one person per square foot) and that they were filling the gas chambers to this capacity every 2 hours.
Auschwitz had far larger gas chambers that sonderkommandos claimed were often packed to the brim.
Bunker 1: They claimed around 800 capacity (Bunker 1 is 60 square meters so it would be even more packed than Belzec's chambers)
Bunker 2: 1200 capacity at 90 square meters
Krema 2 and 3 had a gas chamber each at 210 square meters and would have had a capacity of around 2800 people.
Krema 4 and 5 had 3 smaller rooms each at a total of 236 square meters.

Funny thing is you would be right when looking at the total amount of people killed versus the total capacity of the camps. The final capacity of Belzec is 10 times larger than the Germans needed to kill the 550k they claimed died there. At Treblinka they had around 7 times the capacity needed to keep up with the Jews arriving. What was the German response? Spend a ton of resources to double the amount of gas chambers of course, at a time when Jewish arrivals were decreasing by 50%. By the end they were using about 3 percent of the total capacity. Weird how these geniuses could kill and disappear 6 million people but not do some simple math. The combined capacity of the Reinhardt camps (Belzec, Treblinka and Sobibor) would have been around 2 million people a month or 24 million a year. Enough to kill every single Jew in the world at the time in about 7 months. Auschwitz is even worse. According to Dr. Franciszek Piper the Germans could do 5-6 gassings a day in every chamber. The total capacity of the chambers were around 13600 meaning the total capacity would have been around 81.600 people per day assuming 6 gassing cycles. That's another staggering >30 million people a year. They could have gassed every Jew that died at Auschwitz in 13 DAYS. And yet the Germans kept building more and more chambers when the first, and smallest, one would have done the job. Instead of just focusing on building more crematoriums, which they kept running out of capacity of (hence open air burnings) they kept building more and bigger gas chambers.

All of that is irrelevant to your claim that the Germans didn't fill the chambers full because that's exactly what the witnesses said they did. If we start doubting the sonderkommando and other witnesses we have to throw out Auschwitz as a whole since Robert Jan Van Pelt, leading expert on Auschwitz, admitted we don't have physical evidence.

What would have stopped the Germans from, you know, shooting the people who were escaping the gas chamber, or using something to reinforce and block the door in case they tried? As for the claims of the them over stuffing the chambers, it might have been possible, considering a lot of the people going in were pretty much walking skeletons.