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[Greed]

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[SaidNoOneEver]

That was (is) Greenwald's point. For months he's been viciously attacked for criticizing the Left's tactic of shutting down any critique of their ideas by labeling those critics as racist homophobes. Except he's a gay Jew, so to point out the hypocrisy in an ironic way he throws the same thing back at them to watch the show. I have yet to see any of them recognize it and he does this literally 2-3 times a day. They fall for it every single time.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/with_replies

Greenwald is a serious Twitter addict.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Warren Ellis cucking out, now asking permission to have "mediated dialog" with his cyber-castoffs.

http://createsend.com/t/d-6042F037FEAD877C2540EF23F30FEDED

I was made aware today of the So Many Of Us collective's offer of a mediated dialogue, and have today asked their permission to enter that dialogue. Where that will take us, I’m not sure, but I know I want to make certain that I’m doing all I can to no longer be part of the problem or in any way still perpetuating the past. I hope these conversations will be ongoing and productive for all.

A year ago, I put out this statement.
In it, I did my best to respond to the many accounts of my past behavior, the harm I’d caused, and the negative effects of my poor judgments. As I have come to realize, that damage has persisted and left lasting scars for many.

In the past, I have been careless and unthinking in my personal relationships, and I again apologise without reservation. In the last year, I've entered therapy and taken other measures to change my behavior, and am continuing to process the help and advice I've received. I've had a lot of long, hard conversations with people who are or have been close to me, and I need to have a lot more. I'm working on change. I've been silent because I had a lot of work to do and still do, and have repairs still to make, and wish to proceed mindfully without causing further harm.

I have, of course, been silent and isolated for too long, and should have addressed things sooner and proceeded with more speed. I apologise.

All of this should especially have been addressed before word of a new project came out via my collaborator. That was my mistake and the book was prematurely announced without Image's input or knowledge. I should have brought up to him beforehand that I still had work to do to address my past. I should have worked with Image to make sure they were ready and comfortable to commit publicly to the project when I still had work to do to address my past. This is another example of my lousy judgment. I now add both him, and Image, to the list of apologies I owe.

Naturally, trying to mend my errors now makes it look like the only reason I’m speaking at the moment is to serve that project. It's not, but that's irrelevant: this is about me trying to make things right—regardless of how it looks for me or how good or bad the timing is . So here are my thoughts:

I have had nearly a year to reflect on everything I’ve learned about how my behavior has hurt others and I am sorry. Repeating that over and over doesn't make anything better for anybody, but, now I've had my time to listen and process and advance my understanding, there are a few further things I need to say.

I acknowledge that I have done wrong. Neither my intent at the time, nor my perception of it then, erases that fact. Nor does it at all obscure that the result of that behavior has clearly affected individuals for years, and may even have inspired others to perform negative behaviour.

If you are a reader who supported me, then thank you, but please don't defend me anymore. Change doesn't happen overnight -- I'm at the start of a long road, and it's not a road with a defined end - and it doesn't happen in a vacuum. If you want to support me, then support efforts towards transformation of communities, industries and workplaces.

Going forward:
I’ve been in therapy now for almost a year and will remain committed to that part of the process.
I will continue to work on new projects with only the collaborators who have expressed their comfort in doing so with me. I ceased all public appearances, and I think I have a long way to go before such activities would be appropriate again. I am grateful to all my collaborators for continuing to associate with me, and for the difficult but instructive conversations we had to get to that point.

I've always kept my charitable donations private, but, in looking for ways to contribute to change without privileging my own voice, I've expanded my donations into the space of women's support groups. Most recently, my last royalty cheque was split between funding therapy for young women and supporting women in the workplace. I hope to do more and will welcome suggestions of charities that I can build lasting support for.

I do not yet know the fate of this newsletter. I miss talking with you, but I committed to speaking less, listening more and becoming better. There are still 23,000 of you, and it would be nice to use this platform as a tool for doing some good. I'm going to keep thinking about it, take advice from friends and take regular inventory.

As I said before -- I'm sorry I let you down, and I'm sorry I have failed the trust placed in me. I hope that, over time, I can earn back a little of that.

Sincerely,
Warren

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Warren Ellis cucking out, now asking permission to have "mediated dialog" with his cyber-castoffs.

http://createsend.com/t/d-6042F037FEAD877C2540EF23F30FEDED

I'm not surprised by this.

 

[Least Concern]

Warren Ellis cucking out, now asking permission to have "mediated dialog" with his cyber-castoffs.

Oof. Zack's take on the "submit yourself to the council" thing was that they're going to try to use him to get jobs. Even if not that, it'll just be a struggle session against him. He must think he has something to gain from this, but at best it will achieve nothing for him.

Maybe he actually feels guilty for his man-whoring and this is his self-imposed penance. Who knows.

 

[FROG]

Warren Ellis cucking out, now asking permission to have "mediated dialog" with his cyber-castoffs.

http://createsend.com/t/d-6042F037FEAD877C2540EF23F30FEDED

I can't even tell you how angry this makes me.

 

[:gold:]

Oof. Zack's take on the "submit yourself to the council" thing was that they're going to try to use him to get jobs. Even if not that, it'll just be a struggle session against him. He must think he has something to gain from this, but at best it will achieve nothing for him.

Maybe he actually feels guilty for his man-whoring and this is his self-imposed penance. Who knows.

Could be a stalling tactic where the crazies will quiet down because they think there’s something to gain while Warren Ellis tries to rebuild his career.

 

[Least Concern]

I can't even tell you how angry this makes me.

Don't be Mad at the Internet, reptilian fren. You don't personally have a stake in it, right? Let your emotions come out in mockery. Such is the way of the Farmer.

Like, I donno, maybe he's doing this 'cuz he thinks he can hook up with some starstruck aspiring artist again. That would truly be the funniest outcome.

EDIT:

Could be a stalling tactic where the crazies will quiet down because they think there’s something to gain while Warren Ellis tries to rebuild his career.

Any rebuilding of his career will be done on his own accord. I highly doubt opportunities are going to start piling up on his doorstep if he goes through with this. He needs to make his own opportunities, just like Frog did.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

I can't even tell you how angry this makes me.

Not everybody has what it takes to be a Youtube whore.

 

[FROG]

 

[Dong-Liquor]

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Didn't Lauren Dangerhair get her Twitter permanently suspended some time back? Who did she threaten to accuse of sexual harassment to get it back?

 

[Mister Dongs]

Thanks for the update Cully lmao

https://mobile.twitter.com/CullyHamner/status/1408214965228552197

The best outcome.

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Like, I donno, maybe he's doing this 'cuz he thinks he can hook up with some starstruck aspiring artist again. That would truly be the funniest outcome.

The funniest outcome for me would be if it's revealed later that after all this, Warren Ellis was banging his therapist like Tony Soprano.

 

[A nameless trool]

Warren Ellis cucking out, now asking permission to have "mediated dialog" with his cyber-castoffs.

http://createsend.com/t/d-6042F037FEAD877C2540EF23F30FEDED

White people should learn some thing from Black culture.
Ellis should just reply "dem bitches are cray cray an mad cause I ain't dicking em no more" then join an EVS stream about the IGG of the rest of Fell all the while sharing anecdotes with Cecil about how he shagged each and every somanyofus members.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

White people should learn some thing from Black culture.
Ellis should just reply "dem bitches are cray cray an mad cause I ain't dicking em no more" then join an EVS stream about the IGG of the rest of Fell all the while sharing anecdotes with Cecil about how he shagged each and every somanyofus members.

He'll probably come out as "bi" instead.

 

[Weeb Slinger]

Warren Ellis cucking out, now asking permission to have "mediated dialog" with his cyber-castoffs.

http://createsend.com/t/d-6042F037FEAD877C2540EF23F30FEDED

Back in the day, I was briefly a member of the Warren Ellis Forum. I didn't hang around there for very long. It was incredibly cliquey - a cult of personality disorders - Ellis's and his hangers-on, many of whom were ghastly people, even then. In hindsight, you can see many of the problems that have bedevilled the comic book industry in recent years had their genesis in the febrile, piss-infused waters of that virtual geothermal pool.

Ellis was superficially charismatic. He had it in him to a be a cult leader. If he'd shaved off some of his remaining hair in an interesting way and put on some stripy robes, then the Ellisian techno cult would have been born, channelling articles from New Scientist into works of comic book fiction. Unfortunately for Ellis, a lot of his charisma was a front, papering over acres of self-doubt. Eventually he blinked, his magpie-eyed acolytes saw weakness and here we are.

Unless some new revelation has surfaced, Ellis has done nothing more than fuck a few of his fans, who regarded this sex as somehow transactional and the first rung on the ladder to a successful career in the comic book industry. I think that if recent ComicsGate crowdfunding efforts have proven anything, it's that you don't have to fuck Warren Ellis to be successful in the medium. Ethan didn't go down that rocky road. Ya Boi Zack didn't. Cecil may have, but at least has the decency to be a gentleman about it.

A man like Ellis was never going to ensnare women with his looks. He had to rely on his guile and wit. I am reminded of a line from a memory-holed Garth Ennis mini series titled Pride & Joy in which a minor character claims that he will say that Courtney Love is a genius if it will convince the girl he is sweet on to go to bed with him. While I think that most of us would draw the line at defending the musical talent of the former Hole frontwoman, I imagine we have all, at some point, put on a front when sex is on the line. What Ellis did may have been sleazy but it wasn't illegal.

Even within the woke maelstrom that is cancel culture, I have never seen someone who has done nothing wrong, fluff their response in a way that makes it seem like they are guilty of something far worse than what they are accused of. It staggers me that Ellis, who is an intelligent man, has self-owned this hard. If he has any actual friends then they need to take him to one side and tell him: "Stop hitting yourself."

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

the SJW twitter mob finds themselves on the receiving end of mass blocks from a mainstream comics professional, something they find completely unprecedented and also totally intolerable.

Delicious

Frog makes a call to action, that while getting drunk and reading superchats and tweets by SJWs in two in the morning is fun, that Comicsgate was originally something about making a stand against cancel culture. It's now Leroi's turn to express genuine confusion; as one of the late "fourth wave" of Comicsgaters only familiar with the movement as a clique of idle, insular "chillstreams" within which one networks and chase clout in. Leroi has been fairly successful in this, going so far as to rise to the lofty position of backup tardwrangler of Shane Davis, but has clear difficulties in conceptualizing Comicsgate as anything other than this. "So what are we gonna do?" Leroi asks Frog, "Are we gonna buy Warren Ellis' comic or something?" Frog answers that they'll eventually succeed in cancelling Ellis and that Comicsgate should be ready for when he turns to crowdfunding. Exasperated at the dull silence his speech fell upon, Frog quiets down

Also delicious. Is this kind of, reaping what you sow? Just a little bit?

I can't even tell you how angry this makes me.

Why? Did you anticipate Ellis to suddenly become redpilled and join the cause, or something?

Ellis was superficially charismatic. He had it in him to a be a cult leader.

Ah, I think I understand better. There's a hint of 'a brother from another mother' going on.

I think that if recent ComicsGate crowdfunding efforts have proven anything, it's that you don't have to fuck Warren Ellis to be successful in the medium.

If Comicsgate crowdfunding efforts are taken as a whole, tickling Ellises balls probably couldn't hurt.

 

[MirrorNoir]

The funniest outcome for me would be if it's revealed later that after all this, Warren Ellis was banging his therapist like Tony Soprano.

You haven't actually watched Sopranos have you?

Melfi and Tony never have sex. Melfi explicitly rejects Tony in S5 when he makes a pass at her when Tony/Carmela are separated and one of the chief reasons she doesn't tell Tony about how she was sexually assaulted, is that she knew damn well that if she did and had Tony murder the guy for her, that he would blackmail her until her dying breath and that extorting sex from her would be among the many evil things Tony would demand of her if she became beholden to him.

 

[Newman's Own]

I can't even tell you how angry this makes me.

Please try.

Don't be Mad at the Internet, reptilian fren. You don't personally have a stake in it, right?

But he does.

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Cully is a douche. Glen's trolling him. Lauren is a dispicable opportunist.

I think that if recent ComicsGate crowdfunding efforts have proven anything, it's that you don't have to fuck Warren Ellis to be successful in the medium. Ethan didn't go down that rocky road.

I'm not so sure. Ethan used to cuck to Gail Simone for clout and opportunity. Ellis is about as attractive to a hetero man as Gail and it would be less demeaning on every other level given Ellis' superior talent, intellect and prestige in the industry.

Never underestimate a clout chaser.

Why? Did you anticipate Ellis to suddenly become redpilled and join the cause, or something?

I think Ethan did. Check out the video Dong's posted.

"We can't let THIS (Ellis not being able to publish) happen." "We gotta convince him to come over here. This is the only way." "We need that to happen." - EVS

Delusional. Ellis is more likely to join ISIS at his point. The idea he'd abandon his mainstream hopes to make StarCats money sucking up to people he likely hates is laughable.

 

[Miniluv]

Warren Ellis cucking out, now asking permission to have "mediated dialog" with his cyber-castoffs.

As I said before, Ellis will grovel for forgiveness. He has zero spine.

Zack's take on the "submit yourself to the council" thing was that they're going to try to use him to get jobs. Even if not that, it'll just be a struggle session against him. He must think he has something to gain from this, but at best it will achieve nothing for him.

Zack's take was pretty accurate as far as I'm concerned. He makes a great point that these people didn't object to the things Ellis was doing, their issue is that he stopped doing them. He was able to have cybersex across all manner of defunct platforms during apparently the entire GWB administration and nobody said shit until drunk senpai stopped noticing them.

Ellis is no good to any of these people if he's permanently cancelled. They need him to cuck and get back to work so he can boost their projects and give them a platform like he did for a handful of other insufferable weirdos that haunted his forums for years (that he evidently didn't harass for nudes and fake sex). He'll probably have to submit any future work to a small group of commissars to make sure it's "good" and that women aren't depicted in any way that could be described as "sexy" or overtly feminine and no competent male characters for good measure.

They'll trot his rehabilitated corpse out as an example of "transformative justice", but there won't be any actual forgiveness for him. He'll be allowed to have a sliver of a career as long as he behaves but they'll still be allowed to harangue him and remind him of his indiscretions whenever the mood strikes. When he dies, that's how they'll want him remembered.

He could shrug this off at any moment and just do what he wants, but he will not. He could be successful in crowdfunding but he'd rather debase himself for the opportunity to be back in the good graces of Image, Marvel, and DC. His new handlers need him to be involved in the mainstream.

Back in the day, I was briefly a member of the Warren Ellis Forum. I didn't hang around there for very long. It was incredibly cliquey - a cult of personality disorders - Ellis's and his hangers-on, many of whom were ghastly people, even then. In hindsight, you can see many of the problems that have bedevilled the comic book industry in recent years had their genesis in the febrile, piss-infused waters of that virtual geothermal pool.

I have one real memory of my very short time on his forum. There was a loose conversation about trans issues and one member asked something along the lines of "If a person has only to say they're transgender to be considered such, what is stopping someone down the line from identifying as another race?", pointing out that both gender and race are considered by nearly everyone on that forum as social constructs yet one was immutable and the other not.

This drove the rabble crazy and the member who asked this question was ridiculed and dragged for his wrongthink. Ellis came down from his perch and personally told the poster what an idiot they were and that the idea of someone claiming to be another race was asinine as there was no advantage to identifying as a minority and people who transition are just being themselves. His logic only went one way and didn't entertain the possibility of minorities trying to "pass" or identify as white. I got kind of a kick out of the fact that in the world of Transmetropolitan there are people that "transition" to aliens and are seeking equality and rights while being portrayed as mentally ill weirdos. 20 years later, Rachel Dolezal and Jessica Krug would prove Ellis' smug rebuke absolutely wrong.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Didn't Lauren Dangerhair get her Twitter permanently suspended some time back? Who did she threaten to accuse of sexual harassment to get it back?

I think the only suspension she got was a temporary one when @FROG put pronouns in his bio and Lauren didn't respect them. She got mass reported and suspended, until it was sorted out that she was in fact on the right side of history.

She also immediately ban evaded and got into no trouble for doing so, even though I don't think she was suspended for more than a day or two.