Infected #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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I have what might be considered a tangential question, but addresses the all-consuming issue of who does (and doesn't) get into the CG "family".

What would happen if, say, Mags, Kwanza, Gail Simone, Ron Marz, or any one of the small army of SJWs currently running rampant wanted to publish something independent (for whatever reason), but knew that their name alone wouldn't cut it and asked if they could do so under the CG banner?

You might ask, "Well, what's in the book? Is it absent of SJW pandering?" What if it miraculously was just a straight-line, agenda-less title? I realize in Kwanza's case that's next to impossible, but if it was genuinely SJW free and (gasp!) told a story which would appeal to CG readers, what then?

And what about the worst-case scenario - the book was chock-full of SJW pandering, but he (or she) insisted on riding on CG's coattails, anyway? How would that be denounced (apart from the usual Tug, Quartering, or YF YouTube video)?
 

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I have what might be considered a tangential question, but addresses the all-consuming issue of who does (and doesn't) get into the CG "family".

What would happen if, say, Mags, Kwanza, Gail Simone, Ron Marz, or any one of the small army of SJWs currently running rampant wanted to publish something independent (for whatever reason), but knew that their name alone wouldn't cut it and asked if they could do so under the CG banner?

You might ask, "Well, what's in the book? Is it absent of SJW pandering?" What if it miraculously was just a straight-line, agenda-less title? I realize in Kwanza's case that's next to impossible, but if it was genuinely SJW free and (gasp!) told a story which would appeal to CG readers, what then?

And what about the worst-case scenario - the book was chock-full of SJW pandering, but he (or she) insisted on riding on CG's coattails, anyway? How would that be denounced (apart from the usual Tug, Quartering, or YF YouTube video)?
There isn't even a point in speculating about this. This would be like asking if the GOP would suddenly accept Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer into the party. CG's audience would simply leave and any audience member for those other people wouldn't come. They'd both be dead in the water assuming fans honestly thought either group was breaking bread.
 
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I might be wrong, but it seems like EVS is trying to get him to change his business model. I don't think he's doing it maliciously, but I feel like this could lead to less sales and more cost, than the opposite.
Peter taking business advice from Ethan would be fucking retarded. Overpriced comics with average stories that get delivered over a year late? Alterna would be ruined.
We'll benefit as much as we can from hanging out with each other.
I think the benefit would be all yours, Peter already has the printing, distribution and audience available to Alterna. What do you and CG bring to the table other than gayops and drama? If anything I think CG would be a detriment to Alterna, his rode the fence pretty well over the years a direct association to CG would make Alterna vulnerable to SJW strong-arming similar to what Waid did to Antarctic Press.
Posting screens that Yaboi also highlighted in the video above. Acknowledging that the industry has been on life support for ages and delusional thinking that digital will save them. If anybody believes the last tweet then they should look at the video game industry for a case study. Q: Did prices get cheaper as more went digital? Did people working for massive publishing houses get more money? Did those workers make more money with services promising smaller cuts? A: No

Physical copies dominated the market and 30% of their RRP went into making, distribution and store cuts. When digital services like Steam started and removed the need for making physical copies and distributing them the RRP and 30% cut stayed the same. With that 30% cut Steam turned into a juggernaut and provides tons of services to the consumers and the producers. Recently Epic decided to compete with Steam and hyped that the Epic store would only take a 12% cut, many stories ran with the PR that games would be cheaper, workers get more money, etc, etc. When Epic launched prices were still the same, workers didn't get more money and the 12% cut crippled any improvements to be made to the store (they didn't even have a shopping cart for more than a year. Epic had to bribe companies millions for exclusives that went up in price and for shorter time frames each time.
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I find that tweet from Mags reinforces the theory I explained several pages back. One of the true self destructive goals of these SJWs is to deliberately sabotage Diamond and the LSC's. I'm sure the bean counters at AT&T and Disney scratch their heads at why this current model exists. I recently got back from Japan and Disney has specialty stores in Tokyo and Kyoto filled with toys, posters, plushies and clothing. The one item I noticed was absent was Marvel's comics, could be because Manga dominates, or it could be because the current model of distribution doesn't allow it. AT&T and Disney probably have in-house distribution services, Diamond is a middleman on borrowed time imho.
If nothing else, Doug TenNapel demonstrated to CG how popular a gimmick like premium packaging can be.
Doug TenNapel is actually the person who inspired Ethan to crowdfund, he raised 6 figures years ago while Ethan was still working at the big two. Doug also inspired Ethan with his latest chicken box premium packaging and the Earthworm Jim paper blockhead figure inspired Ethan with a similar stretch goal on Unfrogettable Tales. No matter what Ethan does, his always playing second fiddle to Doug and it drives him nuts.

Doug even just recently relented on his long standing position on digital copies. Since hitting 100K on BFB2, his offering a digital tier for BFB1 and 2 and they come free to all physical backers. Doug hates digital due to piracy, it shows his a stand up guy when it comes to compromising for better value for his backers.
Wasn't me. It was probably Sneasel. I probably threadbanned him at one point though.
I stopped following this thread back in the day around page 500, when Weeb Wars really kicked off. I've been slowly reading through it and the parts with LNC are pure autism. He was schizophrenic on his position towards Ethan, sucking him off one minute, calling him a fat faggot the next, praising him as the greatest artist of our age and then tearing him apart as a human being.

I haven't laughed so hard in my life.

LNC if you're still out there and lurk this thread, godspeed you fucking lunatic. :semperfidelis:
 
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instythot

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I think with a topic like this it would be a disservice to have others on, unless they themselves were involved in Comicsgate. I think that this topic should be handled with some form of seriousness.

It would be easy to do what you said, but I think that this topic should get a better representation to the opposing view. I noticed that a lot of the detractors are smaller channel that Ethan easily waive away. Though with us. We have some audience reach and I think might have some things that most people don't know brought to light. I know for myself... I didn't know a lot about the ins and outs of CG and EVS until a couple weeks ago.
The topic is middle aged men angry about serialized illustrated fiction marketed towards (man)children. Bringing unrelated guests on to shout over Ethan as he tries to spin whatever he's doing as a glorious crusade is exactly the respect it deserves
 

Geekthulhu

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Doug TenNapel is actually the person who inspired Ethan to crowdfund, he raised 6 figures years ago while Ethan was still working at the big two. Doug also inspired Ethan with his latest chicken box premium packaging and the Earthworm Jim paper blockhead figure inspired Ethan with a similar stretch goal on Unfrogettable Tales. No matter what Ethan does, his always playing second fiddle to Doug and it drives him nuts.

Doug even just recently relented on his long standing position on digital copies. Since hitting 100K on BFB2, his offering a digital tier for BFB1 and 2 and they come free to all physical backers. Doug hates digital due to piracy, it shows his a stand up guy when it comes to comprising for better value for his backers.
Personally. I think that this is a lot of EVS' issues with Doug. Petty jealousy to be honest. I noticed that Ethan has been searching for an IP to co opt, like Rainbow Brite. He wants it so bad because Doug has a well known IP in Earthworm Jim. I personally think that Doug would of outsold EVS if it wasn't for the manipulation of the consumer base's outrage and the slandering of Doug. I think that EVS is threatened by Doug, because man... He continues to hound Doug every chance he gets. He also does that paranoid move of everyone against him MUST BE in league with Doug. Scheming to take him and his frog down lol. It's kinda sad. Ethan has a lot and has accomplished a lot, but I don't think it will ever be enough for him as long as Doug is still around and getting backers. EVS wants to be the top dog in Comicsgate and Independents, so if anyone gets in the way of that. He will turn on them and cast them out. Those still hanging around Ethan... I hope they understand that. Ethan is a narcissist and narcissists are NEVER to blame for anything. They always look outwardly to blame people around them for failures. So people like Jim Malin and Cecil will eventually come under fire. It's not a matter of IF, but of WHEN.

The funny and ironic thing about EVS is... He blames Doug for a lot of shit and says Doug is conspiring to take him down. Eventually Doug is gonna take him down, but not to the device "Doug" put out there. It's going to be because of EVS' obsession with Doug that is ultimately gonna be his undoing.
 

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In Lady Alchemy news, after securing a powerful pet simp in Kyle Ritter, Martina Markota has been crowned "Queen of WARCAMPAIGN" by Ro Kabir and, fittingly, she has started her rule in true WC style by posting shops of her former artist and the Dick Show producer having gay sex after an inaugural speech about how groypers and tradcaths like them "essentially are gay men that hate anything feminine and prefer either cat bois, trannies, or underage girls over a real woman" (true) . Long may She reign.

But this title is (god knows why) not uncontested. Armed with her own pet simp in Peter Gilmore, top CG e-girl Mandy Summers, having bested weak contenders like ComicbookgirlAva and Nerdette (FUG doesn't qualify), has decided to take a page out of Ya Boi Zack's book by surprise releasing her own erotica book "Hardcore Pornosaurus" available on Amazon Kindle. In the face of dino-on-woman sex, Anti-CG reactions have ceased being enraged at Comicsgate with this development and can now be best described as "confused" and "scared".

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But, as those of us familiar with e-girls know, in the end there's only room for one woman at the top of the online nerd pyramid.
Will the more, uh, let's go with worldly Martina wrest this crown, or will the southern charm and more wholesome, innocent thottery of Mandy win the day? We'll see.
I have no idea but Mandy needs to get better control of her simp because Peter Gilmore just registered a "HPornosaur" twitter account ostensibly for cross-promotion purposes but in reality just floods Mandy's twitter feed with retweeted hardcorn porn and screencaps of her tits.

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Crossposting these from the Hangers-on thread since it makes more sense for this news to be here. But what in the fuck is going on with the ladies of CG? Shit's getting weird.
 

Elwood P. Dowd

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Eventually Doug is gonna take him down, but not to the device "Doug" put out there. It's going to be because of EVS' obsession with Doug that is ultimately gonna be his undoing.
Jesus. Go breathe into a paper bag to calm down. You sound like you're hyperventilating.

EVS ain't Macbeth Doug Tenapel ain't Duncan and funny books about anthropomorphized frogs/worms/whatever is hardly a platform to start sperging about hubris breeding nemesis or whatever.

Though a Shakespearean tragedy laced through with dildo memes has a certain 2020 flair to it, must concede that much.
 

instythot

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Personally. I think that this is a lot of EVS' issues with Doug. Petty jealousy to be honest. I noticed that Ethan has been searching for an IP to co opt, like Rainbow Brite. He wants it so bad because Doug has a well known IP in Earthworm Jim. I personally think that Doug would of outsold EVS if it wasn't for the manipulation of the consumer base's outrage and the slandering of Doug. I think that EVS is threatened by Doug, because man... He continues to hound Doug every chance he gets. He also does that paranoid move of everyone against him MUST BE in league with Doug. Scheming to take him and his frog down lol. It's kinda sad. Ethan has a lot and has accomplished a lot, but I don't think it will ever be enough for him as long as Doug is still around and getting backers. EVS wants to be the top dog in Comicsgate and Independents, so if anyone gets in the way of that. He will turn on them and cast them out. Those still hanging around Ethan... I hope they understand that. Ethan is a narcissist and narcissists are NEVER to blame for anything. They always look outwardly to blame people around them for failures. So people like Jim Malin and Cecil will eventually come under fire. It's not a matter of IF, but of WHEN.

The funny and ironic thing about EVS is... He blames Doug for a lot of shit and says Doug is conspiring to take him down. Eventually Doug is gonna take him down, but not to the device "Doug" put out there. It's going to be because of EVS' obsession with Doug that is ultimately gonna be his undoing.
You surprised me. I did not expect to see this many posts with things I agree with, or even just don't think are flat out stupid from a person who continues to associate his real name and face with Adam "Race" Warski

There's a lot in there that could be accurate. However, I think it's much more likely that Ethan is simply an emotionally stunted manchild who is incapable of processing a breakup he didn't initiate. He spends so much time screaming about his "betrayers" because he, like a poorly raised child, can't understand that people will think differently than him sometimes. He also spends so much time doing this because he can't move on from this and most importantly no longer has a boss telling him how many pages he has left for the month and maybe, just maybe, he should get the fuck back to work

Consider his posting behavior around here. Nothing but self aggradization and bait swallowing. Does that scream "emotionally stable adult" to you? Look at his production rate, story quality and number of pinup/filler pages. Does that seem like a man who's putting aside petty squabbles nobody else would care about to do a full day of work to you?
 

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You surprised me. I did not expect to see this many posts with things I agree with, or even just don't think are flat out stupid from a person who continues to associate his real name and face with Adam "Race" Warski
Eh. I don't try to paint people with a broad brush. I myself can see points in even what Tonkasaw says about people or situations. Just because there is someone I don't like. Doesn't mean I can't agree with with a point. I notice that a lot of people on the internet and even in the real world tend to just take a diametrically opposed stance just because they don't like someone for whatever reason. I try to avoid that as much as possible. Mainly because it makes you look like a dummy if you take that side and are wrong and it also makes you look like someone that can't think for themself.

I don't mind associating myself with Andy. I consider Andy a good friend. He is someone I enjoy spending time with and joking around with. I know that Andy has major PR issues with what people think about him. A lot of people think things that aren't accurate about him or completely untrue. Deep down he is just a guy on the internet that wants to entertain people and tries to believe the best in people. Which to his detriment has actually harmed him with the amount of trust he has placed in certain people. I do my best to try to steer him away from bad decisions, but in the end he is his own man and I can't control that. I have had many times when I say, "Eh. I don't think that is a good idea Andy.". Then he goes ahead with it and it blows up. I don't just up and leave like a lot of people did, because I actually consider Andy a friend and I stand by my friends even when they screw up. I definitely let them know they screwed up, but that doesn't invalidate them as a friend. We all fuck up here and there. Most of us just don't fuck up so publicly.

There's a lot in there that could be accurate. However, I think it's much more likely that Ethan is simply an emotionally stunted manchild who is incapable of processing a breakup he didn't initiate. He spends so much time screaming about his "betrayers" because he, like a poorly raised child, can't understand that people will think differently than him sometimes. He also spends so much time doing this because he can't move on from this and most importantly no longer has a boss telling him how many pages he has left for the month and maybe, just maybe, he should get the fuck back to work

Consider his posting behavior around here. Nothing but self aggradization and bait swallowing. Does that scream "emotionally stable adult" to you? Look at his production rate, story quality and number of pinup/filler pages. Does that seem like a man who's putting aside petty squabbles nobody else would care about to do a full day of work to you?
I agree with you 100% here. He is basically an emotionally stunted manchild and acts much like a cast member from Housewives of [insert city here] in terms of pettiness.

He should be way ahead of the publishing game due to not having an editorial overlord bitching about deadlines and pages. If he got rid of all of the bitching on social media and on streams about other independent publishers and put that energy into completing his projects. He would be doing much better and hell it probably would increase the support of Comicsgate.

I don't begrudge him trying to make money, but this petty back and forth with people that used to be in his group is beyond pathetic and a major turnoff to many that would support the ideals of Comicsgate. At this point. I am hardly seeing the difference between EVS and The Big Two.
 

Analog Devolved

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Eh. I don't try to paint people with a broad brush. I myself can see points in even what Tonkasaw says about people or situations. Just because there is someone I don't like. Doesn't mean I can't agree with with a point. I notice that a lot of people on the internet and even in the real world tend to just take a diametrically opposed stance just because they don't like someone for whatever reason. I try to avoid that as much as possible. Mainly because it makes you look like a dummy if you take that side and are wrong and it also makes you look like someone that can't think for themself.

I don't mind associating myself with Andy. I consider Andy a good friend. He is someone I enjoy spending time with and joking around with. I know that Andy has major PR issues with what people think about him. A lot of people think things that aren't accurate about him or completely untrue. Deep down he is just a guy on the internet that wants to entertain people and tries to believe the best in people. Which to his detriment has actually harmed him with the amount of trust he has placed in certain people. I do my best to try to steer him away from bad decisions, but in the end he is his own man and I can't control that. I have had many times when I say, "Eh. I don't think that is a good idea Andy.". Then he goes ahead with it and it blows up. I don't just up and leave like a lot of people did, because I actually consider Andy a friend and I stand by my friends even when they screw up. I definitely let them know they screwed up, but that doesn't invalidate them as a friend. We all fuck up here and there. Most of us just don't fuck up so publicly.



I agree with you 100% here. He is basically an emotionally stunted manchild and acts much like a cast member from Housewives of [insert city here] in terms of pettiness.

He should be way ahead of the publishing game due to not having an editorial overlord bitching about deadlines and pages. If he got rid of all of the bitching on social media and on streams about other independent publishers and put that energy into completing his projects. He would be doing much better and hell it probably would increase the support of Comicsgate.

I don't begrudge him trying to make money, but this petty back and forth with people that used to be in his group is beyond pathetic and a major turnoff to many that would support the ideals of Comicsgate. At this point. I am hardly seeing the difference between EVS and The Big Two.
So you're saying Andy is exactly like CWC?
 

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I don't begrudge him trying to make money, but this petty back and forth with people that used to be in his group is beyond pathetic and a major turnoff to many that would support the ideals of Comicsgate. At this point. I am hardly seeing the difference between EVS and The Big Two.
We're similar because we both hate Doug TenNapel.

We're different because I'm still in business.

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I could be misremembering but didn't you and Andy make a reference to a documentary about him?

It's Christian (Christine) Weston Chandler
Ah yea him. No... Andy is nothing like CWC lol.

Yea there is a series of documentaries that someone on YouTube did. All the documentaries did was actually make me feel really bad for him/her whatever it wants to be.

If CWC was a "normal" person you would say. Yah... That guy is a fucking dick deserving of everything happening to him, but considering the fact that he is extremely autistic. I feel kinda bad for him. I think that I hit about episode 10 of the docuseries and tapped out. I think that is the first time I felt bad for watching something and giving support to someone doing something like that to someone.

I had a really sick feeling while watching it.
 
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What is CWC?
You really should
Ah yea him. No... Andy is nothing like CWC lol.

Yea there is a series of documentaries that someone on YouTube did. All the documentaries did was actually make me feel really bad for him/her whatever it wants to be.

If CWC was a "normal" person you would say. Yah... That guy is a fucking dick deserving of everything happening to him, but considering the fact that he is extremely autistic. I feel kinda bad for him. I think that I hit about episode 10 of the docuseries and tapped out. I think that is the first time I felt bad for watching something and giving support to someone doing something like that to someone.

I had a really sick feeling while watching it.
Have you looked at any other threads on this website or are you just here for EVS related autistic screeching?