Orbiter Kat Speculation -

[TheGoutburglar]

If she knows about his real income, then she probably knows about a lot of other things that are likely to ensure that she has plans to divorce the pigroach at some point.

I mean how else would Khet learn the truth than by coming to a place like this? Certainly not from Phil, unless he really is stupid enough to be honest with her about it.

 

[goku123]

If she knows about his real income, then she probably knows about a lot of other things that are likely to ensure that she has plans to divorce the pigroach at some point.

I mean how else would Khet learn the truth than by coming to a place like this? Certainly not from Phil, unless he really is stupid enough to be honest with her about it.

i think kat, can at the very least guesstimate a minimum amount of income from phil. he needs to pay the mortgage every month, plus food, bills, utilities and other expenses. if they file taxes jointly for instance, she would have to know it automatically.
she used to be on phils streams, back in the day. there's no way she didn't see all the donations he was getting.

 

[SauceRyuKen]

This seems to be inconsistent with what we have all been saying about their marriage though, that it's cold, devoid of love, warmth and/or passion etc etc.

If we're agreeing that she was just lightly teasing him, this surely changes our assumptions about the marriage.

I get where you're coming from, but I don't think it's the case. Leanna and Phil were doing the friendly banter thing until the bitter end. Kat still has a dog in that race until she can collect alimony. Most sugar babies don't particularly like their sugar daddies. If it's a transactional relationship, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be cold, distant, angry and resentful. A sugar baby who doesn't bother to act kind to their daddy would be a shit baby. The best whores are the ones who can sell they're having fun too, even if they're not.

Spoiler: Phil and transactional relationships, Kat, Panda, sugar babying and social optics

Basically, think of Phil and his whales. Phil is unfailingly an ungrateful bitch, and their reward is Phil demanding more and more money for less and less entertainment. A man who straight up tells you thanks for the cool thousand, we are not friends, and we will never be. Easily one of his worst qualities. It's more honest in a way, if you're a massive asshole, just act like one and don't even bother to pretend.

This sort of relationship is all framework and no core. It's hollow. Pleasantries will be exchanged, dates will be had, daily talk and listen sessions, and whatever else the daddy wants out of a relationship. It's the baby's job to provide that, and while I don't think Kat is good at this sort of let's face it, pretty fucked up relationship, she's at least capable of doing the bare minimum. That amounts to a cordial roommates relationship. It helps that Phil is too low t/too deep in the closet to even want sex from Kat, let alone the kinky, demeaning, degenerate shit some sugar daddies ask for. All Phil wants is a stand in mom and housemaker. I don't know what Kat would be willing to give for 2K a month, but I suspect much like Phil's videos, it would be always raw and unedited.

Kat is very aware of how good a deal she's getting with Phil. Her very sister Jenna is younger and prettier and she's sucking dick for 20 bucks a pop. Phil putting a ring on her has made her an official part of the Burnelli household, so she gets a piece when he kicks the bucket, and that will also include a piece of Papa Roach's house. Not bad for an autistic, medicated, eyebrowless 3/10 from Michigan. With a criminal record.

Kat's unfortunate looks also played in her favour. It probably felt right for Phil. Even if we were to take money, the main ingredient of KaLippos, out of the equation, it wouldn't seem that weird. Unfortunate looking male meets unfortunate looking female 10 years his junior, they share interests and are equally potato-like in personality, both going through rough patches in life, so they shack up. Leanna actually loved Phil for a pretty long time, and while that relationship was closer to right, it probably felt wrong. It involved a cradle robbery followed up by a kidnapping, Panda was still in highschool and 17 when it begun, and she was 100% out of Phil's league looks-wise. You couldn't look at that relationship and not go "Well that's an arrangement if I ever saw one." When you do factor in the money and the big boy khando, Kat turns out to be the one who's punching way above her weight in this relationship.

Phil could do better if he's just seeking an arrangement, but he already had trouble keeping Panda happy, a 20 year old Slavic chick who demands college money in exchange for sex and a relationship would be too much for him. And he'd be unable to shake the creepy uncle Phil allegations for the rest of his life if he pulled that shit twice; Kat's a much better option for a discerning mature adult who wants to settle down and never have sex. The one area where Kat is undeniably an upgrade: She's a 10/10 beard/Larping implement. How the Leanna fiasco came to happen is a riddle for the ages: Maybe Phil was a virgin before her and legit thought he'd be a horndog if he ever had sex, then found out sex wasn't all that, or he wasn't good at it. Maybe Leanna's sex drive was just more than Phil could handle. But grooming a hot, young nympho for cooking and cleaning, and then making a point of starving her is a fucking power move, I'll give him that. Stupid as hell, but a power move. It reads like a revenge fantasy out of an incel forum.

Behind his back, Kat might as well be tearing him a new one daily with her friends about how he's a one pump chump, or unable to get it up, or how the constant snorting drives her crazy, but to his face, she'll try to be the sweetest horsemaid that ever was, because that's the rules. I guarantee you she was all smiles and dulcet tones to Jeff right up to him catching her red handed.

TL;DR: It's one of those situations where Phil's own behavior makes the different approaches his environment takes make no damn sense. "If Phil is such an unyielding cunt to the people who ARE his friends, whether he admits it or not, why would anyone be nice to the miserable fuck?" Well, Swagginz, ShirtlessMoFo, Jaxx, Jakileez and the rest of the wheelchair gang are just gullible, and at their core, they are generous dudes being taken for a ride by a scammer. As for Kat, she really has no reason to be mean, bitchy or despondent. She will outlive Phil and play Skyrim until her time comes in the ruins of the Snort Fort. Or gut him alive with alimony payments and enjoy all the perks of being with Phil without having to be with Phil. But for now, treating him like shit to his face, while deserved, wouldn't bring her closer to her objectives.

EDIT: Kat knows how much he makes, no question. The farms and pigpiggo are very powerful tools for keeping tracks on the pigroach, and while I don't think she reads her thread any more, she's probably a big fan of Actually's old tracking and PieceOfPeace's new spreadsheet. And that's only in the case Phil doesn't go all hyper and cheerful to tell her how much he squeezed out of the paypigs today and how they're gonna go out and have a 3 meal feast. My personal theory is that Phil splurges more on her than he'd like to admit, and she plans to milk him as hard as possible during the marriage and take the free meal ticket of alimony ASAP.

 

[goku123]

I get where you're coming from, but I don't think it's the case. Leanna and Phil were doing the friendly banter thing until the bitter end. Kat still has a dog in that race until she can collect alimony.

isn't alimony givin to homemaker women that put their career aside, so their husband can move up in the world. Kat isn't unemployed, though she is underemployed. but she didn't exactly give up her hopes and dreams to take care of the pigroach. she's basically doing the same thing she was already doing with subaru man.
if leanna had married phil for a few years. she would have had very good grounds to get alimony from phil

 

[SauceRyuKen]

isn't alimony givin to homemaker women that put their career aside, so their husband can move up in the world. Kat isn't unemployed, though she is underemployed. but she didn't exactly give up her hopes and dreams to take care of the pigroach. she's basically doing the same thing she was already doing with subaru man.
if leanna had married phil for a few years. she would have had very good grounds to get alimony from phil

In Europe, Kat could get mid term alimony right now if she kicked Phil to the curb just with her history if her lawyer was even remotely competent. In Borgerland, given that she still has very much the same story, and only a part time job, I could see her getting at the very least short term alimony. She could make the pigroach pay for her college or formation, and support to not have to work herself during that time period. She's not raising a family but she's the primary housemaker. Still, she would actually need a good lawyer to make her case. Seattle's generally woke, so I don't think they'd tell a mentally impaired woman with a history of family abuse to kick rocks and sort herself out. If she just shacked up with Phil, no ring involved and he kicks her to the curb, fair enough. But rings make everything more complicated.

Of course, Pigroach luck could hold true. I do think Kat could get alimony in 2/3 years, just work the mental anguish and medication angle, and how she has grown accustomed to having Phil's support and he can't just cut her off. Of course, I could be entirely wrong. From Divorcenet.com:

Qualifying for Spousal Maintenance in Washington​

The hallmark of every spousal maintenance case in Washington is the “need and ability to pay”—meaning, the supported spouse must demonstrate a need for financial help and that the paying spouse can afford to pay. Before the court evaluates a spouse’s need for maintenance, the judge will first divide the couple’s community property, establish custody and parenting time, and calculate child support for the spouses.


Once the court confirms that spousal maintenance is appropriate, the judge must determine the type, amount, and duration of support for each case. There is no formula for judges to use to decide maintenance awards. Instead, the judge must consider each of the following factors:

• the financial resources of the spouse asking for maintenance, including separate or community property from the divorce and any child support orders that provide for the couple’s children
• the time necessary for the supported spouse to acquire education or training required to find employment
• the marital standard of living
• the length of the marriage
• the age, physical and emotional condition, and financial obligations of the spouse seeking support, and
• the ability of the paying spouse to continue to remain financially independent while paying support. (Wash. Rev. Code Ann. § 26.09.090.)

Like most divorce-related issues, spouses can work together to negotiate the terms of the maintenance award in their divorce. Whether working one-on-one, in mediation, or with attorneys, if you and your spouse agree to the type, duration, and amount of support, the court will approve the order.

https://www.divorcenet.com/resources/divorce/spousal-support/understanding-and-calculating-alimony-wa

 

[goku123]

the judge will first divide the couple’s community property, establish custody and parenting time, and calculate child support for the spouses.

in burgerland, anytime children are involved in divorce proceedings, the odds of the women getting a lot is astronomically higher.
this seems to have the assumption that children may be invovled. in terms of phil paying for her education, she actually does have an assicaiates degree. i think Kat has a low chance of getting alimony from phil.

 

[MeganDodgedABullet]

I did pigsnort when a tipper asked if he was familiar with WA divorce laws - Will Melinda take Bill Gates to the cleaners??

 

[TheGoutburglar]

The easiest scenario for me to believe is naturally one where Phil tries to keep Khet in the dark and slips up here and there, like he does with his paypigs. I'm hesitant to ascribe any serious brains to Khet, but I can't in conscience act like my intolerance for him should apply to her too. Meaning, she has lasted this long, clearly our personalities are different. It's just a question of HOW different, and what the gap in intelligence truly is.

One thing we can be certain of: If a divorce saga is imminent, Phil will not handle it with grace or dignity, no matter how far in advance he has been warned.

 

[goku123]

speaking of kat and alimony. is phil functionally impotent at this point?

 

[Kosher Dill]

speaking of kat and alimony. is phil functionally impotent at this point?

It really doesn't matter if he's impotent if the desire just isn't there.

 

[gaarashatan]

If she knows about his real income, then she probably knows about a lot of other things that are likely to ensure that she has plans to divorce the pigroach at some point.

I mean how else would Khet learn the truth than by coming to a place like this? Certainly not from Phil, unless he really is stupid enough to be honest with her about it.

thats a life tip i learned from phil! never tell anyone how much you really make, not your family, not your friends, not strangers.

 

[Colloid]

It's nice to finally get some hard proof that Kat is still there. Honestly I can barely make out anything concrete from the audio besides the laughing, and Kat could be laughing for just about any reason you could think of in this situation. On a scale of optimistic to pessimistic interpretations she could be laughing with Phil, laughing at how her almost 40-yrs old man is making a big deal about making a mess because its the most interesting thing about his day, or laughing at how much of a dumb child he is and how this is the easiest ride of her life. Take your pick. The only thing I can confidently say from this is that Kat's still there and she's cognizant enough to still know how to laugh at things.

 

[clownpiss]

Kat has had a shit life and doesn't seem to have had any stability, i'm sure she knows deep down Phil only cares about himself but gladly accepts. Anyone who gladly accept the conditions she does must have been in much worse shit.

Phil is a gay/aesexual man who cares more about the perception of things than the reality. He also loves having a mom type role. Leanna was pissed at him and meeting some guy, his only question to her was if she'd be home to prepare dinner. He has a fucking board where he writes in meals to be cooked for him for the week, or makes Kat right write them in. I'm starting to wonder if he had her quit/work this new earlier shift just so she could start cooking for him earlier instead of having to cook just before work or right after work.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

It's nice to finally get some hard proof that Kat is still there.

It is indeed, and it'll be interesting to see if we get any more unwittingly recorded conversations in the future. Phil has incentive to let it happen, but also not, because he wants talk of her being gone to go away, but also wants the analyzing of their relationship to stop too. Only he's allowed to bring up Khet, and anything he says is okay, but anyone else who does it is an asshole according to him, after all.

Leanna was pissed at him and meeting some guy, his only question to her was if she'd be home to prepare dinner.

His refusal to cook for himself is one of the most pathetic things about him, and one of very few things that I'm willing to declare any dude to not qualify as a man over. I have all kinds of things going against me in that regard, but at least I fucking cook.

Also, he's REALLY not helping his image of being a little boy in an old man's body with that kind of crap.

 

[Cistern Rumbler]

and one of very few things that I'm willing to declare any dude to not qualify as a man over.

This sentence almost broke my brain.

 

[Schmeckel]

This sentence almost broke my brain.

"SEE! I told you they didn't have brains that were hinged properly! What a bunch of brain-dead fuckin' no-loads. *Snort* Nu-huh-huh."
- Phil

 

[LDoncic4MVP]

So she works part time at a grocery store, doesn’t go grocery shopping, and cooks frozen microwave food. Phil should’ve been more patient in selecting his next soul maid

 

[Flavius Anthemius]

Okay guys, im still mad so rant time.

Whats their problem? Are they both retarded/mentally challenged? DSP is begging for a lot of money to pay the essential bills but they still go and buy 2 copies of a brand new AAA game just so she can also play it day1. They could have share it and play when the other doesnt. They struggle to pay bills and then they throw out money which they appearantly cant afford. This is not a marriage, they are like housemates.

How the fuck none of the paypigs questioned this? How is this normal to them? It may seem like a small thing but this kinda irresponsibility pisses me off. End of rant.

In regard to those paypigs, you can't exactly apply logic to these people who think like this because to put it bluntly, they are not normal people. Believe it or not, if the few of them found their time watching Phil was worthwhile and enjoyable, whether they have been long time viewers, or are attention seekers and have cash to fling because they know they'll feel special if they donate to someone making a desperate plea (fucking ironic but anyway) they'll tip him as much as they please for that positive good feedback. That's all on them though. the moment they turn around and find that their time and money wasn't worthwhile to them and question what Phil's doing with their contributions, why he needs to constantly beg for money so much (despite gaining more money than a high income earning professional would) and why is he still in financial trouble? Well congrats to them, they just got scammed by the roach, without realising it for an extended period of time, because they fall for his constant barrage that evil sick people (trolls) want to destroy him and believe his reasoning that detractors are just a bunch of mentally dumb people on the internet who don't know anything and he's able to guilt the hundreds or how many people he has for sympathy by using his elaborate victimhood complex (but as history shows most things detractors have said and noticed about Phil are 98% accurate, because why else would someone who gives money to someone, suddenly get up, feel completely wronged, and leave).

I hope I didn't get too off topic with the pay piggies but that's my analysed take on them and hope that gives you a bit of closure.

In regards to Kat and Phil deciding they need to spend cash on an overpriced new release that's over a decade old now for new consoles, can be traced back to all the instances of him always buying new releases and never ever once has this guy ever talked about buying things on sale, taking advantage of second hand game prices (no trading games does not count Phil, places like Gamestop absolutely rip you off and give you peanuts in return, he used to do this in the old YouTube days and even when he was still with Machinima, but I don't believe he's doing that much anymore, he mostly tends to just buy things digitally ever since streaming, I doubt he buys many hard copies and sells them) borrowing games from people, solely just sticking to games that don't cost too much to play, I don't think many of his "fans" give a fuck what he plays most of the time, when he was playing the newest Danganronpa that came out and he was getting less overall tips for that game then he was for older games like Street Fighter, it just goes to show that he doesn't always have to play the newest stuff in order to get the most engagement, that's just one example I'm sure you can find many more if you want to dig deeper. Phil does not have a fucking shrewd brain cell in his head at all, he always buys these games that over the years have constantly gone up in prices (inflation, publishers and retailers wanting more of a profit, increased production cost, because digital is way cheaper and easier for Sony/Microsoft etc.) So when it comes down to making smart conscious decisions about running his "business", he does a fucking terrible job at even doing the bare minimum to reap the fruits of his labour, considering the numbers he was earning pre partnership.

So with Phil the answer is pretty obvious, he does not have any sense about proper budgeting and looking for the best deals, he seems to think that buying things on the cheaper end or even doing things on a budget god forbid, are beneath him, because he's never had to make ends meet when he was earning almost nothing, so why should he all of a sudden start now right? boy this fuckwit is gonna have a hell of a retirement if momma and papa roach don't have a sizable amount of assets for inheritance.

The case with Kat is a bit more harder to figure out, and rather peculiar. She did not have a very good upbringing and didn't seem to live very lavishly from what we know right? therefore she seems to value her own time and money as being very important and is a secure aspect of her personal interest, she sees money as a safeguard and while she may have decided to bite more off than she can chew with staying with a man like Phil (wasting money away, the bankruptcy, huge amount of back taxes etc.) she seems comfortable enough that she can stay with him for as long as she needs without her own main safeguard being under any sort of threat. She was also just a generic console gamer that made some videos from time to time yeah? It's probably just this middle aged gamer mentality where they see the main stream hype for a game and want to spend her own money (which she earns enough of her own I think that she'd be able to buy new releases consistently if she pleases) just because it's the "hot new release" so to speak, when she's surrounded by Phil in the snort fort, I'd imagine the only sort of discussions they'd have between themselves non-begrudgingly would be just about food and games, if Phil is only invested in buying all the newest and hottest releases, then I guess it wouldn't be unusual for your spouse who also has an interest in gaming to do the same (but I think you pointed out yeah that Phil mentioned he bought a copy for both him and her? so that means they game on separate PS5 consoles, which we have known about before, as a married couple who apparently have some financial troubles, here you have and example of spending money on expensive shit where they probably didn't need to if they were seriously heading toward financial ruin).

With this in mind, the moment Phil can not make money in the same way he is doing now and the gravy train of streaming finally comes to a screeching halt, Phil knows that he has no other options to make anywhere near as much dough as he was able to before, and he'll panic, this is a major threat to Kat and her semi-seditionary isolated lifestyle, she won't stay with Phil for long once that happens because their is practically no romance or connection whatsoever and she'll jump ship, her main safeguard is at threat.

These are just people who have these warped perceptions of what they can and can't afford and think any sort of debt is like a temporary setback for them (i.e. the bankruptcy). And while we know Phil is a complete numbskull about finances, we know less so about Kat. It just seems to me that she's able to maintain the lifestyle that she wants living with him and since Phil covers for so many of the ongoing expenses, her buying expensive games and other things from time to time wouldn't really put her in any financial danger so long as the situation allows it.

But this is all temporary, the moment Phil can't sustain his income like he has, that Kat is gone, don't know what's gonna happen with their son as well, I don't think Phil will remember to feed him, he might be the first to hop over to the more friendly, probably more reliable owners that cat should have had.

Hope I didn't bore anyone reading this haha I just needed to get this reply off my chest.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

There are only two types of people who can stand to follow Phil for any real length of time: folks like us who laugh at him, and folks who are just like Phil, if not worse (in certain respects). Take KG, for example. He, and a few others I'm sure, basically lives vicariously through Phil. Their emotions are his emotions. This is why the only thing that drives a wedge between them and their Gout Lord is when Phil personally slights them. They're as selfish, stupid, and narcissistic as he is. You think if Phil spent his youth being the lackey to a bully, he ever anticipated being his next victim? Neither do Phil's own lackey's today, and when they find out the hard way, it still doesn't teach them anything, because they're just like Phil in that respect too. They don't follow logic, they're a slave to their emotions, just like him.

As for Phil and his begging, it's really as simple as him not being concerned enough with being convincing to bother putting more effort in. Which is largely a product of life failing to give him reason to, as he's not smart enough to give himself reason to at least try and sell his con to more than just folks who rode the short bus to school.

One day this is going to cost him, and it's going to be almost sad to watch, because holy shit is Phil utterly unprepared for what it's going to be like when he can't even beg for money and get it anymore. There are some variables that determine the flow of things, such as whether he outlives his parents, but his doom is inevitable no matter what. It's just a matter of how long it takes before his begging days no longer support him.

 

[Comma]