The Punisher Salt - No Fun Allowed as well as No Exploration of the Trauma that Endless War Brings

[The_Truth]

People salty about this punisher obviously haven’t seen the first two movies.

(War zone was okay tho)

Call me a minority here, but I liked the first film.

It had that comicbooky feel to it for lack of a better word. I get why people wouldn't like it in the context of the Punisher franchise or even the Marvel Universe it's still my favorite of the two.

 

[CatParty]

Call me a minority here, but I liked the first film.

It had that comicbooky feel to it for lack of a better word. I get why people wouldn't like it in the context of the Punisher franchise or even the Marvel Universe it's still my favorite of the two.

Dolph lundgren?

 

[The_Truth]

Dolph lundgren?

Lol not that one, thought I do vaguely remember parts of it

The 2004 with Thomas Jane, he was at least likable.

 

[Done]

Lol not that one, thought I do vaguely remember parts of it

The 2004 with Thomas Jane, he was at least likable.

Thomas Jane was a good Punisher, not as good as Bernthal, but still good, the 2004 movie was quite decent, and was only somewhat ruined by John Travolta's unconvincing villain.

 

[AnOminous]

Offtopic, but that reminds me of the E3 or similar event where the Doom reboot was shown off, with Anita and Jon tweeting how disgusted they were by the game, how the crowd cheering and chanting on as limbs got ripped from bodies was making them feel sad for humanity, etc, etc. I've never paid Mcintosh much attention but he always struck me as someone who just can't handle testosterone fueled violence.

This is why I hate this kind of vacuous social "critic" who acts like they're bringing some devastating blow against media they don't like by pointing out that it's violent. They don't grant any agency whatsoever to any audience members other than themselves, who they assume to be bloodthirsty ghouls who are invariably going to go out and murder people immediately just from having seen media they don't like.

They don't grasp that even 12 year olds who aren't actual psychopaths are entirely aware the video game where they're blowing away demons with a shotgun isn't reality. They don't grasp that adults who like watching a hyper-violent shoot 'em up action movie about a vigilante are also aware they're indulging an atavistic desire for violence but that the catharsis of it is enough for them. They aren't going to go out and murder random people.

It's generally not shit like The Punisher that some psycho fixates on and commits a crime. For fuck's sake, Mark David Chapman was somehow inspired by Catcher in the Rye to shoot John Lennon. And Hinckley shot Reagan because of Taxi Driver, in theory anyway. The fact is some people are just crazy fucks and they would kill people because of Danny Phantom, like that idiot we have a thread on.

Anyway, the original comic version of the Punisher was nearly an outright fascist vigilante. Who the fuck doesn't know this?

And you invariably give the hero/protagonist of a bloody vengeance story a horribly tragic backstory so you can sympathize with them, especially if they're getting revenge on the entire world. Otherwise they're just the autist in Hatred.

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

I remember when it was right wing soccer moms wringing their hands and screeching autistically over ficitonal media violence.

The reeeing SJW left is the new whinging religious right

All of this has happened before, and will happen again - That scifi show on the Syfy channel

 

[Slowboat to China]

Perfecto.

I wonder how much jealousy is behind a lot of the reviews by men. Because when it comes to physicality, the kind of man straight grown women usually like best is... this. Well, without the violent lashing out because of trauma. Which is still a fantasy thing (heal his wounded soul!), but most women know to keep that strictly within fantasy. Not-fantasy is a grown man who looks like a man. Who's strong, not a shiny balloon roast bodybuilder type but simply naturally strong from hard physical work.

After seeing this thread, I had to go look up pics, and ... yeah. Hot damn. Hot. Damn. He doesn't look either ridiculously over-sculpted or like some skinny beta male type; he looks like he Gets Shit Done. I'm reminded of a quote:

He does not try to reason with a mugger out of a smug conviction that everyone is potentially cerebral--he mugs back.

I'm guessing that a lot of the distaste is coming from bad timing. After so many shootings, people are getting chainsaw-bayonet-sensitive about guns in general, and the Punisher is not a character who fits easily into that type of worldview.

 

[AnOminous]

After seeing this thread, I had to go look up pics, and ... yeah. Hot damn. Hot. Damn. He doesn't look either ridiculously over-sculpted or like some skinny beta male type; he looks like he Gets Shit Done. I'm reminded of a quote:

He may be an uggo, but he's the guy who cucked Rick Grimes in The Walking Dead.

Then he became so tortured and ambivalent about what he'd done to save Rick's own son that he went apeshit and forced Rick to kill him. Bernthal has a history with this kind of role. A lot of people sympathized with Shane, even though he was obviously insane.

 

[ShittyRecolor]

Hm, Jon Bernthal's pretty hot in a not-pretty way, without being so swole he looks like he'll burst. I'll have to check this out.

What's funny is, one could write a political piece on how anti-violence the show actually is because it shows how trauma leads to a cycle of violence and etc. It's both obvious and would be a cakewalk to write. Shit, now I want to write it. Good luck getting anything that sympathizes with those gross white working class people published, though.

They fail to see that because they have no idea what subtlety is, and if they get called out on it, they go "DUH, we recognize subtlety, we're just aftaid some MRA\MAGA neo-nazi won't and will think the show tells him to go on a shooting spREEEEEEE!".

 

[The Great Chandler]

Didn't they delay this show over the Las Vegas shooting?

 

[Secret Asshole]

They did, because the shooting occurred a week before it was going to air. It doesn't matter, these sort of people would always oppose this sort of show.

This is why I hate this kind of vacuous social "critic" who acts like they're bringing some devastating blow against media they don't like by pointing out that it's violent. They don't grant any agency whatsoever to any audience members other than themselves, who they assume to be bloodthirsty ghouls who are invariably going to go out and murder people immediately just from having seen media they don't like.

They don't grasp that even 12 year olds who aren't actual psychopaths are entirely aware the video game where they're blowing away demons with a shotgun isn't reality. They don't grasp that adults who like watching a hyper-violent shoot 'em up action movie about a vigilante are also aware they're indulging an atavistic desire for violence but that the catharsis of it is enough for them. They aren't going to go out and murder random people.

It's generally not shit like The Punisher that some psycho fixates on and commits a crime. For fuck's sake, Mark David Chapman was somehow inspired by Catcher in the Rye to shoot John Lennon. And Hinckley shot Reagan because of Taxi Driver, in theory anyway. The fact is some people are just crazy fucks and they would kill people because of Danny Phantom, like that idiot we have a thread on.

Anyway, the original comic version of the Punisher was nearly an outright fascist vigilante. Who the fuck doesn't know this?

And you invariably give the hero/protagonist of a bloody vengeance story a horribly tragic backstory so you can sympathize with them, especially if they're getting revenge on the entire world. Otherwise they're just the autist in Hatred.

They believe in the concept of tabula rasa: That we're all blank slates when we come out. They have no understanding of nature vs. nurture or psychology. These people will kill whether or not there is any media around. The key is that they want to be immortalized and shooters always are fetishized by the media. They want something to react to them, real people. A fantasy can't react to you. And lets be honest, if someone were raised in isolation of all media and had a desire to kill and they went to a gun store for the first time, it wouldn't take a fucking genius to figure out that the best way to kill people is using guns with lots of ammo. Social critics, their education are all incompetent, useless and not reflective of reality.

They also forget 'The Punisher' has a strict moral code. Nobody innocent dies. Ever. If he has to die or go to prison for that to happen, he does it. I always say that The Punisher's superpower is that he never lets innocent people die. Which is kind of the whole point of the character and his morality.

They fail to see that because they have no idea what subtlety is, and if they get called out on it, they go "DUH, we recognize subtlety, we're just aftaid some MRA\MAGA neo-nazi won't and will think the show tells him to go on a shooting spREEEEEEE!".

This as well. They have no understanding of subtlety or context. They are dumb fucking cultist sheep just parroting words. That's what happens when your entire education consists of vomiting shit back to a sped Social Sciences professor to get an A. I really fucking despise most of these cultural critic faggots who bring nothing of value to the table. Nothing about the way something is made, the story is structured, the characters. Just some stupid irrelevant shit.

After seeing this thread, I had to go look up pics, and ... yeah. Hot damn. Hot. Damn. He doesn't look either ridiculously over-sculpted or like some skinny beta male type; he looks like he Gets Shit Done. I'm reminded of a quote:



I'm guessing that a lot of the distaste is coming from bad timing. After so many shootings, people are getting chainsaw-bayonet-sensitive about guns in general, and the Punisher is not a character who fits easily into that type of worldview.

The US has a gun culture and is land-locked. We would never be able to eliminate guns from society. England and Australia could because they are largely isolated. Its much more difficult to smuggle guns on an island. Its not something we should get used to. Wired basically said the series shouldn't ever be made.

It doesn't matter if there weren't mass shooting before it aired, progtards would always bring them up. If it doesn't villify a character who uses guns, it needs to be stopped. Plus there's also the hatred of veterans, the military and the white working class. All three things progtards hate, plus guns? Yeah, doesn't matter if the last mass shooting was 2 years ago or 10 years ago.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So let me get this straight: they’re complaining that The Punisher, who’s entire shtick is brutally killing bad guys, is too violent.

What the fuck were they expected? His name is literally The Punisher.

 

[The_Truth]

It doesn't matter if there weren't mass shooting before it aired, progtards would always bring them up. If it doesn't villify a character who uses guns, it needs to be stopped. Plus there's also the hatred of veterans, the military and the white working class. All three things progtards hate, plus guns? Yeah, doesn't matter if the last mass shooting was 2 years ago or 10 years ago.

The Punisher has always been a sore subject for the social justice crowd because he literally guns down criminals who SJWs view as a protected class.

 

[The Great Chandler]

The Punisher has always been a sore subject for the social justice crowd because he literally guns down criminals who SJWs view as a protected class.

Apparently, they do.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2017/09/portland_police_to_halt_purge.html

 

[The Valeyard]

https://nerdist.com/netflix-the-punisher-failed-to-say-something-new-violence-review/

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/on-demand/2017-11-13/the-punisher-netflix-review/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...marvel-netflix-series-jon-bernthal/849284001/

 

[Wesley Willis]

Same, look at RT:

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94% with 670 user ratings is really impressive.



No, he doesn't look like a body builder but he does look fucking strong as hell. And yeah, its an easy write-up as the show really does emphasize cycles of violence, trauma and all that. It really is anti-violence. The problem is that its not in plain sight and anything not simple enough for these tards is bad. And yup, that too. Mostly deals with working-class as heroes pushed down by government and greed. Of course, class doesn't matter to these chucklefucks.

RT has SJW horror movie Get Out ranked ahead of Citizen Kane.

 

[Computery Guy]

RT has SJW horror movie Get Out ranked ahead of Citizen Kane.

Ah yes, Get Out, the movie people said was okay because it wasn't full of SJW REEEEEEEEEing in every scene.

Get Out was basically just getting a plate of vomit and calling it good because you expected a plate of lit dynamite.

 

[Yaoi Huntress Earth]

They also forget 'The Punisher' has a strict moral code. Nobody innocent dies. Ever. If he has to die or go to prison for that to happen, he does it. I always say that The Punisher's superpower is that he never lets innocent people die. Which is kind of the whole point of the character and his morality..

Same goes for dogs who he only uses tranquilizers on. Maybe the Punisher is more appealing these days because men are told their masculinity is useless, toxic and they have to put up with other peoples rules and demands.

 

[Munchingonfish]

From a Neogaf alumnis

http://archive.md/C5XeM

 

[Secret Asshole]

Neogaf Translation: It doesn't mock the pain of veterans or Frank and turn it into a satire which none of the comics do, especially the Ennis ones, so I won't watch it. Also there are no heroes and I am a massively stupid faggot.

Same goes for dogs who he only uses tranquilizers on. Maybe the Punisher is more appealing these days because men are told their masculinity is useless, toxic and they have to put up with other peoples rules and demands.

The Punisher has always been appealing to me, but that's just been the way the character is. He's always been sort of a cult character, never really having a mainstream following. Also I find the mentions of gun violence hilarious. I finished the series and (very minor spoilers)

Spoiler

More people die due to knives/choking/beatings than guns. There's also very little 'gun porn' with the exception of the intro sequence. These bad reviewers aren't even watching this shit. Its 'Oh this is a character that uses guns. We've had shootings, so guns bad'

They just hate the idea of the character, know nothing about him and it doesn't align with any of their politics, which is the most worthless criticism I can think of. I don't give a fuck how it relates to the 'real world'. Is it good television? Does it have a good plot? Characters? Cinematography? Oh. I forget, most of you faggots aren't even English majors anymore, just 'cultural studies' cocksuckers. Shit that 99% of the population doesn't care about, which is why all your outlets are fucked.